[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by ryan2006

God is behind everything in my heart. Now, when the sun goes up and the sun goes down, that is perpetual motion. And the universe is 100% efficient. It neither loses or gains energy. When a law of science says you can not create nor destroy energy they are saying they don't believe in an eternal world. Now I am going to use God in vague terms. God created the past, present and future and say that all that is contained in this spirit world and the next are very much the same. They both are in motion. The bible proves a future exist is a dim future for a non-believer in Christ. However, it is my belief that the spirit world and the cosmos are intertwined. God created light it is constant at 186,000m/sec squared. Proving that the system works forever is proving that God created motion forever, but he has allready done that by saying that the world is Eternal. When it says the stars will fall from the sky I wonder if that means the end of time and motion in a physical world and an eternal life in motion in the spirit world free from flesh.

Are you saying that you learned this stuff as science in college?

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

to have a sincere theology thread, there must be acceptence of God.

No you don't and that's not what this forum is for. If you read the rules for this forum you'll see it says,

Originally Posted by Theology Forum Rules

This is not a forum for preaching the word of God (regardless of which one you may subscribe to). It is a forum for rational discussion of religious thought, and varieties thereof. How does science and religion interact? How does religion impact society? What is the role of religion in education? Why are wars fought over religious ideas? These are examples of topics we hope to see here.

Theology is a valid topic of social science that can be discussed without ever invoking deities. There need be no endless debate on the existence of deities and there are plenty of other forums on the web where such debates can be taken. We have provided a place here to discuss religion as a social science without debating God and there is no need for anyone here to accept God as part of such discussions. This forum is not for preaching or proselytizing.

[ryan2006]

Well, if I can not express my faith in a theology discussion than I would rather not play a part on this site. Goodbye and farewell. And on your site the introduction says "Science hypography for 'everyone'. " Goodbye.

[Overdog]

Originally Posted by ryan2006

Well, if I can not express my faith in a theology discussion than I would rather not play a part on this site. Goodbye and farewell. And on your site the introduction says "Science hypography for 'everyone'. " Goodbye.

I think expressing your faith is fine on this site, as long as you do so without making claims of special knowledge with respect to Nature or the Universe.

Saying "I believe there is a God", is not the same thing as claiming God created the Universe, or the Universe IS God, or other similar claims to special knowledge.

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by Nootropic

Last time I checked you didn't have to be a believer in God (or a Christian for that matter) to have a "sincere" discussion about theology. And also, this a forum for DISCUSSING SCIENCE and NOT preaching religion, so if people feel the need to preach, there are other forums for that. This is clearly not the place for that, so a ban for continuing to preach religion is certainly not illogical.

I assure you, it is a violation of rules to state God is the stuff of the universe and forces that organize it. I have penalized for doing so and warned of being banned if I presist in my argument that we need to accept the existence of God. In these forums one can not make a factual statement about the existence of God, so who can there be sincere of theology?

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by C1ay

No you don't and that's not what this forum is for. If you read the rules for this forum you'll see it says,



Theology is a valid topic of social science that can be discussed without ever invoking deities. There need be no endless debate on the existence of deities and there are plenty of other forums on the web where such debates can be taken. We have provided a place here to discuss religion as a social science without debating God and there is no need for anyone here to accept God as part of such discussions. This forum is not for preaching or proselytizing.

How is it against the rules to say God is the stuff of the universe and forces that organize it, and still be possible to discuss our ideas of God?

[Overdog]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

How is it against the rules to say God is the stuff of the universe and forces that organize it, and still be possible to discuss our ideas of God?

Nutron, I just gave you the answer in my previous post. Did you even read it?

You are claiming you are some kind of Shaman or Prophet or something, with special knowledge that you and only you has which we can't verify. We would have to be fools to believe you...show proof or bug out.

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by Overdog

Nutron, I just gave you the answer in my previous post. Did you even read it?

You are claiming you are some kind of Shaman or Prophet or something, with special knowledge that you and only you has which we can't verify. We would have to be fools to believe you...show proof or bug out.

No, I have given a point of view that is quite essential to understanding democracy, and I stated it is a point of view shared by Einstien, Spinoza and others. I have no special powers, just a little literacy in the reasoning for democracy, and I have repeatedly said it is through science we can know of God. This is far from superstition or any thing like being a Shaman or Prophet.

The opening post for this thread goes far beyond saying God is the stuff of the universe and forces that organize it, and I am mystified about why I was penalized for what I said, and the opening post of this thread is okay.

[Overdog]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

...This is far from superstition or any thing like being a Shaman or Prophet.

It is superstition, pure and simple. You need to show how it isn't, or shut up. You have been like a broken record, repeating the same thing over and over and over to the point you have lost all credibility with anyone who has tried to discuss this with you over the LONG period of time you have been allowed to continue with your preaching. I am no longer willing to discuss this with you AT ALL!

Bye

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Are you saying that you learned this stuff as science in college?

Fritjof Capra recieved his Ph.D. from the University of Vienna and has done research in high-energy physics at several European and American universities. In addition to his many technical reseach papers, Dr. Capra has written and lectured extensively about the philosophical implications of modern science. He is the author of The Turning Point and The Tao of Physics, an international best-seller that has sold over half a million copies and has been translated into a dozen foriegn languages.

Yes, Moontanman, the stuff is part of science and colleges, and everything I have posted to this effect has been ignored. I suppose I could find the site that provides several scientific arguments about the existence of God, and post it again, but what is the point when, these links are ignored?