Yet another reason Christianity makes no sense.

[alexander]

So, i am not one who often discusses religion with other people, but this had to be brought up. Reading the news today, stumbled across this article
Vatican welcome to Anglicans boldest move since Reformation | csmonitor.com

here's a direct quote of the gist of it:

Pope Benedict XVI gave his approval to a new framework to bring back into the fold Anglicans who oppose their church's liberal stance on gay marriage and the ordination of women priests and gay bishops

WTF, seriously

Exodus

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart. -- 19:17

Love thy neighbour as thyself. -- 19:18

Ye shall not therefore oppress one another. -- 25:17

Proverbs

Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm. -- 3:30

Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins. -- 10:20
Ecclesiastes
If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink. -- 25:21

Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools. -- 7:9

Isaiah
Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart. -- 7:9-10

Matthew
Judge not, that ye be not judged. -- 7:1
Romans

Overcome evil with good. -- 12:21

Corinthians
Put away childish things. -- 13:11

Ephethians
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another. -- 4:31-32

Thessalonians
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. -- 5:21

James
Pure religion ... is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. -- 1:27

Peter
Be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; -- 3:8-9


So these are these and are as they are (and i skipped a lot of repetition), but let me voice my concern, for a religion that tries to teach love, not feeling anger, is against oppression and is above all for equality of all humans as being equal is calling for a conversion for Anglicans who hate gay and not think of women as equal to join their ranks, like "Yea dudes, that's what we are all about"... I don't recall any where in the bible where anything mentioned "love your neighbor as your brother, unless they are gay, in which case torch their house or something, let's just say god won't punish you for sins involving hurting gay people; and treat your wife like a dishwasher because she is not god-worthy, and clearly not equal to you. Also treat your enemy as your friend, unless they are not of your sect, in which case, it is also ok to single them out and since god doesn't like them either, you can just do whatever to them, for God"
Nor do i remember anywhere where it said anything about worshiping god being something different if the preacher has different sexual views of the world, or if they are female... Call me crazy, it's just not there....

[pamela]

Not sure I am following you here, Alexander.....
Are you concerned that the hate will permeate the Catholic church?
Seems like the Catholic church would want the hate to dissipate. I imagine though, the ultimate goal is too increase the numbers in the church for reasons other than love/hate and salvation

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by alexander

So, i am not one who often discusses religion with other people, but this had to be brought up.

...[verbose list of christian contradictions redacted for brevity by turtle] ...

Nor do i remember anywhere where it said anything about worshiping god being something different if the preacher has different sexual views of the world, or if they are female... Call me crazy, it's just not there....

not crazy alex & your memory is fine.

Originally Posted by thomas jefferson

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.
Notes on Virginia

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[Moontanman]

from alexander: I don't recall any where in the bible where anything mentioned "love your neighbor as your brother, unless they are gay, in which case torch their house or something, let's just say god won't punish you for sins involving hurting gay people; and treat your wife like a dishwasher because she is not god-worthy, and clearly not equal to you. Also treat your enemy as your friend, unless they are not of your sect, in which case, it is also ok to single them out and since god doesn't like them either, you can just do whatever to them, for God"

Ummm, actually the Bible does indeed say these things, Put gay men to death, stone unruly children, and wives who don't obey. I think Deuteronomy is the source for much of this. The idea of killing anyone who is not of god pretty much permeates the entire bible not mention things like not mixing strips and plaids or something like that

[pamela]

Hey Moon, your statement is not entirely true.The Old Testament carries the brunt of killing and such, but not the New Testament. I do not recall your reference to stoning children, do you know exactly where in Deuteronomy this is?

[Moontanman]

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Very few Christians dismiss the old testament out of hand when they are dealing with homosexuals but they seem to shy away from unruly children. Since most if not all Christians, especially fundamentalists, embrace the teachings of both books I include them both when i say Bible.

[pamela]

that was referring to an adult son, hence drunkard.Your statement had made me think of a young child. Can you cite the verse about homosexuality?

[Moontanman]

“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

It must have referred to a young man since it had to do with him not obeying his father and mother but does that fact he is an adult make stoning him to death any better?

You had better stop wearing those pants too pamela

22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

And you better not see your brothers ass either

22:4 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass

Stop with the stripes and plaids too!

22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

All these pears of wisdom brought to you by Deuteronomy

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Very few Christians dismiss the old testament out of hand when they are dealing with homosexuals but they seem to shy away from unruly children. Since most if not all Christians, especially fundamentalists, embrace the teachings of both books I include them both when i say Bible.

and jesus said, : Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. ~matthew 5:17

[pamela]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

It must have referred to a young man since it had to do with him not obeying his father and mother but does that fact he is an adult make stoning him to death any better?

the point wasn't about general stoning, which of course is horrible, i had thought you meant children and was taken aback

You had better stop wearing those pants too pamela

are you implying that i ascribe to old testament protocol? i wear the pants in this household and just for the record, dudes in kilts are hot!

And you better not see your brothers ass either

now if he's a jackass, then i wouldn't bother

Stop with the stripes and plaids too!

stop messing with my clan dudes or there will be war

All these pears of wisdom brought to you by Deuteronomy

hey so whatcha think about
ruth and naomi
david and jonathan
daniel and ashpenaz
these were all rather intimate relationships