[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Majeston

I believe the word "eternal" was a transcription error and should read "external".

Why do you believe this? Do you have another version of the text showing this transposition? Has an author, editor, or transcriptions of the text asserted that such an error has been made?

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by CraigD

Why do you believe this? Do you have another version of the text showing this transposition? Has an author, editor, or transcriptions of the text asserted that such an error has been made?

I think the angels had it right and majeston is just another unbeliever and cannot be trusted with a truth as complete as the book of Urination.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Majeston

As I promised you earlier, I believe I did find an error in the Urantia papers, probably the only one.

102:8.4 "Ethics is the eternal social or racial mirror which faithfully reflects the otherwise unobservable progress of internal spiritual and religious developments. Man has always thought of God in the terms of the best he knew, his deepest ideas and highest ideals. Even historic religion has always created its God conceptions out of its highest recognized values. Every intelligent creature gives the name of God to the best and highest thing he knows."

I believe the word "eternal" was a transcription error and should read "external".

For once, I disagree with you. I boldened the qualifying phrase 'has always', as I believe it is a continuation/extention/amplification of the use of the word 'eternal' in the previous sentence. Taken together, it is not inconsistent, and I therefore delara no error.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Majeston

Yes Buffy, and a bad forum tells us the truth about its administrators.

Why thank you for the compliment!

Its quite an honor when someone as enlightened and intelligent as you spends so much time on a modest forum such as ours: obviously we must be doing something right to make us so good that it's worth your time!

You will be worthy of the spectacle - as the spectacle is worthy of you,
Buffy

[Majeston]

happy birthday Jesus.



The Urantia Book -- Part IV. The Life And Teachings Of Jesus
PAPER 122: Section 8.
The Birth Of Jesus

P1351:5, 122:8.1 All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.

P1351:6, 122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).

P1351:7, 122:8.3 The next day after the birth of Jesus, Joseph made his enrollment. Meeting a man they had talked with two nights previously at Jericho, Joseph was taken by him to a well-to-do friend who had a room at the inn, and who said he would gladly exchange quarters with the Nazareth couple. That afternoon they moved up to the inn, where they lived for almost three weeks until they found lodgings in the home of a distant relative of Joseph.

P1351:8, 122:8.4 The second day after the birth of Jesus, Mary sent word to Elizabeth that her child had come and received word in return inviting Joseph up to Jerusalem to talk over all their affairs with Zacharias. The following week Joseph went to Jerusalem to confer with Zacharias. Both Zacharias and Elizabeth had become possessed with the sincere conviction that Jesus was indeed to become the Jewish deliverer, the Messiah, and that their son John was to be his chief of aides, his right-hand man of destiny. And since Mary held these same ideas, it was not difficult to prevail upon Joseph to remain in Bethlehem, the City of David, so that Jesus might grow up to become the successor of David on the throne of all Israel. Accordingly, they remained in Bethlehem more than a year, Joseph meantime working some at his carpenter's trade.


P1352:1, 122:8.5 At the noontide birth of Jesus the seraphim of Urantia, assembled under their directors, did sing anthems of glory over the Bethlehem manger, but these utterances of praise were not heard by human ears. No shepherds nor any other mortal creatures came to pay homage to the babe of Bethlehem until the day of the arrival of certain priests from Ur, who were sent down from Jerusalem by Zacharias.

P1352:2, 122:8.6 These priests from Mesopotamia had been told sometime before by a strange religious teacher of their country that he had had a dream in which he was informed that "the light of life" was about to appear on earth as a babe and among the Jews. And thither went these three teachers looking for this "light of life." After many weeks of futile search in Jerusalem, they were about to return to Ur when Zacharias met them and disclosed his belief that Jesus was the object of their quest and sent them on to Bethlehem, where they found the babe and left their gifts with Mary, his earth mother. The babe was almost three weeks old at the time of their visit.

P1352:3, 122:8.7 These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year. Upon the basis of these extraordinary but wholly natural events the well-meaning zealots of the succeeding generation constructed the appealing legend of the star of Bethlehem and the adoring Magi led thereby to the manger, where they beheld and worshiped the newborn babe. Oriental and near-Oriental minds delight in fairy stories, and they are continually spinning such beautiful myths about the lives of their religious leaders and political heroes. In the absence of printing, when most human knowledge was passed by word of mouth from one generation to another, it was very easy for myths to become traditions and for traditions eventually to become accepted as facts.




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119:8.9 [This paper, depicting the seven bestowals of Christ Michael, is the sixty-third of a series of presentations, sponsored by numerous personalities, narrating the history of Urantia down to the time of Michael's appearance on earth in the likeness of mortal flesh. These papers were authorized by a Nebadon commission of twelve acting under the direction of Mantutia Melchizedek. We indited these narratives and put them in the English language, by a technique authorized by our superiors, in the year A.D. 1935 of Urantia time.]

[REASON]

Christ was born seven years Before Christ?

Whatever. I find myself curious if you actually celebrate Christmas on August 21.

What does this UB scripture lesson have to do with who could've hoaxed this book of utter conjecture anyway?

This looks an awful lot like proselytizing to me, and this isn't the place for it.

You're not likely to find any converts here, Maj. There are plenty of other forums out there full of weak minded individuals who are easy pickens and would probably be thrilled to join your clan.

[William Honey]

Originally Posted by Turtle

___The Urantia Book, first published in the early 1950's, purports to contain discertations delivered by "angels" on God, creation, science, spirits, Jesus, etc.. At some 3,000 plus pages it's no easy read!
___So I want to know if you have heard of it? Read it? Have an opinion on it?
___I believe it is a hoax for the record so my question is "who could have hoaxed this?". Even though it was published in the 50's, it seems to have been written earlier; possibly in the 30's. By the writing style which is so cleverly convolute, & the broadness of the topics covered, I tend to think it is the work of an enclave rather than a single author.
___I do heartily recommend people read it in any case because it is if nothing else a very fine work of mystical science fiction.

Addendum: 30,000+ hits on Urantia

Unless you are into science fiction which I am not, I would consider this
book an entertainment. It makes more sense to me to watch a movie like
Star Wars or a great science fiction movie like Independence Day, now that
was a great movie. In that movie their was a scene where the people were
running in New York City when the E.T. was blowing up buildings. When I
saw the people running when the world trade center was coming down it did
remind me of the scene in the Independence Day movie except this time it
was real and shocking beyond belief.