[majordinkydau]

I've heard many people scoff at the idea the Bible has any historical accuracy. It has proven to be the most accurate book in the world for middle east archeology. Even the discovery of oil in the middle east was prompted by biblical references to "pitch". The walls of Jerico really did fall down. Many of these so called myths have withstood scientific scrutiny. I have yet to hear anyone disprove a single sentance from the bible. Many arguments I hear tend towords railings which sound similar to what the church said when science claimed the earth was round. Many people think science and faith are not compatable. Science scoffed at the verse which said "the elements will melt with a fervent heat" until 1945. I don't require a complete understanding of something before I rely on it. I don't dismantle a bridge and reassemble it before I cross over it. I have discovered the bible has withstood every test I've placed on it. I do not claim to understand it and I will not force my interpretation of its meaning down your throat but I will say most of the rantings against that book are from people who never read it but heard someone else's argument. Don't let other people tell you what to believe. No one will see heaven on another's revelation. God gave us minds for a reason, most of us would just as soon join the crowd and let others tell us how to live.

[skuinders]

Originally Posted by majordinkydau

I have yet to hear anyone disprove a single sentance from the bible.

What about the geocentric solar system notion? Or that the Earth is unchanging in general?

[niviene]

I do not think it's logical to believe everything the bible says. It is not written by god, it is written by men, who by the christian definition, are inevitably error prone and sinful. Human error = mistakes. The bible may or may not be true - but don't forget to keep in mind who wrote it and that humans are impressionable and opinions, as can be seen in this forum alone, depend on perception.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by niviene

I do not think it's logical to believe everything the bible says. It is not written by god, it is written by men, who by the christian definition, are inevitably error prone and sinful. Human error = mistakes. The bible may or may not be true - but don't forget to keep in mind who wrote it and that humans are impressionable and opinions, as can be seen in this forum alone, depend on perception.

I guess everything Stephen Hawking "wrote" is rubbish then? Would you have the same outlook for an autobiography penned by another (such as Pete Rose's Autobio)? For that matter, evrything we read has been edited by someone, right? Maybe even your posts are edited... I can't see you typing them .

However,
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim 3:16-17

[niviene]

Originally Posted by Skippy

I guess everything Stephen Hawking "wrote" is rubbish then? Would you have the same outlook for an autobiography penned by another (such as Pete Rose's Autobio)? For that matter, evrything we read has been edited by someone, right? Maybe even your posts are edited... I can't see you typing them .

However,
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim 3:16-17

Yes, quoting scripture (that was written by man) really proves the point....

You are finally catching on. Anything written by a person is prone to error. Just because Stephen Hawking wrote it, doesn't mean it is the truth - it is his theories and conclusions. We get to read his logic and see how much sense it makes. He has changed his mind over the years, too, as he has seen error in his own logic. I don't see any biblical texts changing.

We don't have any real proof that our parents are really our parents, either.

You finally get my point.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by niviene

Yes, quoting scripture (that was written by man) really proves the point....
You are finally catching on. Anything written by a person is prone to error. Just because Stephen Hawking wrote it, doesn't mean it is the truth - it is his theories and conclusions. We get to read his logic and see how much sense it makes. He has changed his mind over the years, too, as he has seen error in his own logic. I don't see any biblical texts changing.
We don't have any real proof that our parents are really our parents, either.
You finally get my point.

While you are refilling your pipe let me explain what I wrote. I just wrote what any first semester philosophy student (grad level philosophy student for that matter) would have written. They write it because it sounds intellectual but it doesn't answer anything. Like a big ol carp , other pseudo-intellectuals take the bait and run as well.

[niviene]

Oh, I forgot. In order to be a true intellectual, all here are supposed to bow down to your posts and not question your faulty logic. To quote UncleAl, "Illucid."

[Boerseun]

Here we go again...

[niviene]

Sorry, B.... I get tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. I think I'm done here.

[Boerseun]

Yeah - there's really no point to it. It's strange - if you look at the most recent updates in the portal, 90% of them are God/evolution vs. creation/Bible threads that gets updated. And to think this is a science forum...

Maybe what we should do is to get all the best pro/con posts on all the metaphysical threads in one big large FAQ and everybody planning on posting a related issue should read that first before being allowed to continue.