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Religion vs. Religion

While most of the wheel spinning in this still very young forum to date has taken the spin of "Science vs. Religion", a clear spin off from this that has shown up several times is the issue of Religions natural conflict with one another based on differences in beliefs both large (e.g. monotheism vs. polytheism) or small (e.g. interpretations of requirements for salvation within Christian sects).

My question for this thread is two fold (which may mean splitting rather quickly, although they are intertwined):

1) How is the existence of varying beliefs reconciled theologically?
2) What are the various benefits and problems associated with resolving these conflicts?

Discuss.

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Excellent thread topic, Buffy!
I look forward to reading the posts in this one when I return. And I will gladly add my 2 as well...
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All the small factors and differences are endlessly debatable, but the real answer lies in our scientists ability to determine the beginning of the universe and the (true) direction it is headed (predict the future). So if you are a researching scientist looking for answers, I'm waiting!

PS. You all have to agree on the answer for it to be the right one. Focus!
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Uh.... I'm sorry I wasn't clear: this is a question of theology, not science... I would not expec the C word or the E word need to be mentioned at all in this thread! If you don't follow, please ask questions and I'll be glad to help you into this discussion...

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Re: Religion vs. Religion

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While most of the wheel spinning in this still very young forum to date has taken the spin of "Science vs. Religion", a clear spin off from this that has shown up several times is the issue of Religions natural conflict with one another based on differences in beliefs both large (e.g. monotheism vs. polytheism) or small (e.g. interpretations of requirements for salvation within Christian sects).

My question for this thread is two fold (which may mean splitting rather quickly, although they are intertwined):

1) How is the existence of varying beliefs reconciled theologically?
2) What are the various benefits and problems associated with resolving these conflicts?

Discuss.

Cheers,
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> 1) How is the existence of varying beliefs reconciled theologically?

'Belief' implies there is an individual >believer<
This should solve the second half of your question
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Re: Religion vs. Religion

its always the same.

The question comes from the answer you already have

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the questions will end
when you ask a question

ps: i was just curious about 'light speed'...that was all
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Thanks for starting the tread. =P I'll start where we left off. Sorry for the misunderstanding in the other thread, Buffy. For the record, I just enjoy explaining my beliefs (not forcing them) because they are so rarely understood, it seems. =|

The two questions are very broad, and one can only hope to tackle spotted issues, instead of answering them in toto. So, to start things off I'd like clarify the "free salvation" issue.

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Sinful behavior is never OK in Christianity. (Just because works can't save doesn't mean they can't condemn.)
But then its really not "free"! If sin has an impact, then you're required you to do/not do other things as a prerequisite... In fact, even avoiding sins--mortal or venial--living a selfish but unsinful life being good enough lets Scrooge in too, over and above the folks who have the wrong faith. Same point....
Salvation is a return to righteousness (a prerequisite for the new creation. Revelation 21:27) Free salvation is worthless to people who don't want to be righteous. You can't dry off until you get out of the pool, so-to-speak. Not that people have to be perfect, it's a journey. Through humbly seeking God's way of life, we continually practice at being good. That's what is meant by faith in God. We believe He's right, and that His will and His promises are sure. Works are the sign of sincerity, but they don't count directly. God weighs the heart (1 Samuel 16:7,) and He knows who has genuine commitment regardless of deeds.

For clarity, I don't think a person surrenders their free will when they are saved. I think they can change their mind, and often many do when the religious life doesn't meet their expectations. Some will disagree with me claiming "eternal security," but I researched it, and I don't follow that line. (can o' worms?)

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You've got a very limited definition of God here, and I actually believe that the God of the OT is not the same as the God of the NT and the gal in the Koran is different still, claims by interpreters of these works to the contrary notwithstanding the scrutiny of the very different worldviews these deities describe! And that's actually getting back on topic, because the Benevolent God of the NT is inconsistent with Yahweh, the wrathful and demanding God of the OT!
You have a good point. On the surface OT Jehova can be quite different that NT Jehova. But at a deeper level, there's really no conflict. Wrathful Jehova hates evil, He just can't allow it to go unpunished anymore than a judge can wink at crooked corporations (and still consider himself just.) While loving Jehova cared so much for the world that He diverted His wrath for the sake of mankind by providing the sacrificial Christ. If Jehova didn't punish evil, He wouldn't be just, and if He just condemned all of humanity, He wouldn't be loving. But the crucifixion testifies to both qualities, simultaneously. And consistency is maintained.

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If its not your "one God", then its gotta be either "no god" or a cow? Are you serious?
I was just asking for an example of another god, other than object worship. Can you do it? =P
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1) How is the existence of varying beliefs reconciled theologically?
They aren't. My God is the true God. You are a blasphemer.

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A gradual secularisation is taking place. Religion is waning.
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They aren't. My God is the true God. You are a blasphemer.
Have you ever heard of a "strawman" argument, geokker?

I have a couple scriptures as to why Christians should not make statements like the one above, even though "gecko" was just being sarcastic. (Isaiah 1:18; Isaiah 40:28; Romans 2:1) Granted some Christians will act like that anyway, because frankly nobody's perfect.

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A gradual secularisation is taking place. Religion is waning.
In the media maybe ...and politics ...and hollywood ...and academe, but none of those are reality. =P Jehova is a fire on the soul (Luke 3:16; Luke 24:32) that cannot be put out, not even by death, and whose spread will never cease.

Be careful casting off the bonds of morality and virtue, that door swings both ways.
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Re: Religion vs. Religion

religion vs. religion ???

why debate?

the most obvious feature of
religion is religion vs. religion(arrogance)

which leads to war.

Religion is a business. $$$

The xtians dont even care about
the real Jesus.
They only care about the religion
that is built up around a Jesus
that THEY WANT.

http://www.wildapple.co.uk/writers/barbra.htm

The real Jesus was sane and rational.
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