[jettlarue]

I have a question about the apparant "Gods Will" that is used in lawsuits now. I was reading about abortion in lawsuits (lawyers trying to stop it) and i thought of something. The people in the case were saying that everything is gods will. So if that is true wouldnt gods wll be whatever is currently happening? Not trying to be hard on any relgion or anything so please dont take it that way.

[OpenMind5]

Well its not like we can just phone the BIG GUY up and say...Hey whats your will on this subject...

Usually in lawsuits the atterneys (if thats how you spell it) are trying to hit a personal note with the jury and most times the trump card IS religion.

Just what I have to say.
And no offence Jettlarue...and welcome to the hypography family....hope you like it here!

Op5

[niviene]

Originally Posted by jettlarue

I have a question about the apparant "Gods Will" that is used in lawsuits now. I was reading about abortion in lawsuits (lawyers trying to stop it) and i thought of something. The people in the case were saying that everything is gods will. So if that is true wouldnt gods wll be whatever is currently happening? Not trying to be hard on any relgion or anything so please dont take it that way.

What lawsuits are you referring to? Lawyers don't usually start lawsuits... unless there is some kind of a path to large amounts of money involved. Lawyers generally side with whatever their client wants... so "lawyers trying to stop it" sounds odd to me; and, certainly, unless someone is claiming their religious rights are being trod on, there is no way to simply lobby against abortion in this country on the basis of "god's will" - these are the same folks who made certain people remove slogans mentioning God from their offices

The rest of your post, however - I've wondered about that myself. Why pray if there is a divine plan? (That is, why pray in asking for things). Prayers should be only in thanks that this "will" provided for something that seemed to favor you, right? God's will is apparently what is happening all around us. Good question.

[OpenMind5]

niviene,
If you have ever read the bible you know that god has a devine plan but that plan can be changed through praying.... I have made the argument before in a post (Me and Irish both poninted out the same verse in the bible) If you want to read it I am sure you can ask Irisheyes about it.

Op5

[niviene]

Originally Posted by OpenMind5

niviene,
If you have ever read the bible you know that god has a devine plan but that plan can be changed through praying.... I have made the argument before in a post (Me and Irish both poninted out the same verse in the bible) If you want to read it I am sure you can ask Irisheyes about it.

Op5

God's plan can be changed by praying? How does that work? What if two people are praying for opposite things? How does God then decide who "wins"? How does God decide which prayers to answer; or which prayers cannot be answered, or seem to not be answered? This doesn't make any sense at all, and in fact is even more confusing to me than any other aspect of the Christian religion! God is omniscient, so isn't everything then already determined? Oh, this is not helping me become a believer.

[infamous]

Originally Posted by niviene

Oh, this is not helping me become a believer.

In the first place we shouldn't be praying to change Gods will, we should be praying to find comfort and peace by surrendering to his will. To be in agreement with Gods will should be the aim of every Christain.

[IrishEyes]

Originally Posted by infamous

In the first place we shouldn't be praying to change Gods will, we should be praying to find comfort and peace by surrendering to his will. To be in agreement with Gods will should be the aim of every Christain.

Well said, Infy.
This was actually one of the hardest things for me to learn and accept as a Christian. For years I prayed for God to change this, or fix that, all according to my wishes and desires. Realizing that maybe I don't have the 'big picture' was a first step. Seeing that I can only see my point was another.
So now, instead of praying "God, give me this. Make that person well. Fix this", I generally pray along the lines of, "God, if it be your will, please do this. Otherwise, please give me the grace and courage to accept whatever your will may be. And please help me to accept, even if I may not ever understand".
Not to say that is the way we're supposed to pray, it just seems to help me remember that asking for selfish things may not always be in my best interest. It doesn't always stop me from asking, but I try to remember that "no", however softly spoken, is an answer as well.

[OpenMind5]

I remeber there being a story where God was going to kill someone or a city...I am not exactly sure. And one person praid god to forgive this person and not kill him/strike him down whatever. God changed his plan for the man.

I am trying very hard to find this verse in the bible. It may take some time...but I remember it...

Op5

[infamous]

Originally Posted by OpenMind5

I remeber there being a story where God was going to kill someone or a city...I am not exactly sure. And one person praid god to forgive this person and not kill him/strike him down whatever. God changed his plan for the man.

I am trying very hard to find this verse in the bible. It may take some time...but I remember it...

Op5

God is sensitive to the requests and needs of his children and our prayers can and do make a difference. However, God is sovereign and his plan for the ages will not be changed nor overcome. God has a perfect will for each one of us but that's not to say we can't choose what we have for breakfest, if you see the meaning. God can and will change the details but not his ultimate purpose for mankind. As long as your requests fall within his plans and you trust in his mercy and grace there is a good chance that he will answer your prayers.

[rockytriton]

Perhaps it's God's will that terrorists are killing people. Or maybe it's his will that they kill people just so they get westerners mad enough to kill a bunch of muslims. Who's to say. In my opinion, the definition of God's will is "What I think should be done." With "I" of course being whoever is saying what should be done.