Homosexuality and the forces of resurrection

[HydrogenBond]

The analogy I was trying to make is that homosexuality and eating disorders are do not stem from the base of instincts, but rather from something that is more periphreal. The goal of sex is babies not pleasure. The basis for eating is fuel for the body not pleasure. The pleasure is the carrot on the string leading to the natural base. Morality, at its best, tries to ccordinate human behavior with the base of instinct instead of the periphreal. That is why homosexuality is usually considered immoral; it is a perephreal phenomena.

If one's value system is centered on the pleasure principle, which is periphreal to both natural hunger and desire, then anything is possbile, since it is not rooted in instinctive reality. It is free floating, up in the air.

[Buffy]

[quote=HydrogenBondThe goal of sex is babies not pleasure.[/quote]While a widely repeated statement, this horridly oversimplifies the issue, to wit: the success of any species or social group depends or procreation, therefore it is to be encouraged, if the *group* is to survive. For the individual, procreation is an expensive activity: it involves an immediate increase in labor, and the only direct benefit is that in more advanced species, offspring can provide support in old age, or in sophisticated societies, at least temporary slave labor. Since neither old age nor the need for familial labor was common until recent times, it can be argued that there's *no* motivation that would likely be actually innate (rather than reasoned or learned) in the species that involves these concepts. On the other hand, we know that in *every* species, the act of sex produces extreme pleasure via the massive release of endorphins and other goodies. Now *that's* an evolved process, and for the *individual* its hard to argue that sex for pleasure is *not* a motivating factor.

Now it still becomes a rational choice to choose *not* to procreate under many circumstances, and religion being the original organizing force among social groups, found itself very early on espousing "go forth and multiply" because its good for the *group*. Discouraging homosexuality is another edict that serves this same goal because it gets people who are naturally predisposed to not procreating to being forced to do so for the good of the group.

Insofar as the group that has the most dominant religion will have a monopoly on the "truth" of their view of the future, then yes, ensuring that these edicts are not just "good for the team" but are "mortal sins" reinforces the power structure and thus, ensures that the "reality" of the pending Rapture and resurrection is seen as Gods Own Truth.

Eating disorders have much more evidence of being caused by chemical imbalances and ties to genetic defects, so I won't try to stretch the same argument there, but it *can* still be made.

Cheers,
Buffy

[Tatsuko]

Although I suspect newcomer Tasuko is too thin-skinned and impatient to make continuing contributions to hypography, I’m disappointed (but not surprised) by a couple of the responses to this thread. Relative to most of the threads in the Theology forum, this one is, IMHO, one of the best and most interesting. I hope folk will continue to explore the ideas it raises.

News on the Letters!

http://www.world-mysteries.com/Phili...n_letters3.htm

[Tatsuko]

More new articles have been published. The links are on top of the URL.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/Phili...en_letters.htm

Greetings.

[Boerseun]

Of all the threads to be resuscitated...

CLEAR!!!

Beep...beep...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep........ .

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Of all the threads to be resuscitated...

CLEAR!!!

Beep...beep...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep........ .

Boerseun, you don't have to be in this topic. And if you are uneasy with the freedom of speech, you shouldn't be on a public forum, thank you.

Now, I came here to tell you that new articles have been publised. Links are on top of the Letters. Moshiu especially is very impressing.

Greetz,

Tatsuko.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Tatsuko

Boerseun, you don't have to be in this topic.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Tatsuko

And if you are uneasy with the freedom of speech, you shouldn't be on a public forum, thank you.

Tasuko old buddy old pal, I have no problems with freedom of speech in the least. What I do, however, have a problem with, is when that freedom is abused to allow drivel to be published. Besides, that comment of your of this being a public forum is also, well, slightly wrong. This is a science forum, with clear guidelines as to how things work here.

I have read your links to the 'Forbidden Letters', and, quite honestly, found it hilarious. These kinda things aren't what Hypo is about, though.

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Thank you.

Tasuko old buddy old pal, I have no problems with freedom of speech in the least. What I do, however, have a problem with, is when that freedom is abused to allow drivel to be published. Besides, that comment of your of this being a public forum is also, well, slightly wrong. This is a science forum, with clear guidelines as to how things work here.

I have read your links to the 'Forbidden Letters', and, quite honestly, found it hilarious. These kinda things aren't what Hypo is about, though.

Boerseun, whether this is drivel or not remains to be seen. And if it it is drivel, drivel is allowed under the freedom of speech. Then, you say this Forum is about science. Theology is considered a science, so is quantum physics. And they are discussed in the letters.

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Tatsuko

Boerseun, whether this is drivel or not remains to be seen. And if it it is drivel, drivel is allowed under the freedom of speech. Then, you say this Forum is about science. Theology is considered a science, so is quantum physics. And they are discussed in the letters.

FWIW, there is no freedom of speech here. We decide what content is allowed and what is not. We created a theology forum for people to discuss religious philosophy or the social effects of religion as a secular subject. We strongly discourage anything that could be considered preaching.

[cwes99_03]

Might I suggest that this way out thread be tossed to strange claims.