Homosexuality and the forces of resurrection

[Boerseun]

I was baffled at first with the title, and how on earth homosexuality could be brought to relation with resurrection. I still am.

However, I have to grant the truth behind the observation of Christianity with alchemy. Alchemists tried to convert ordinary stuff to gold. Christianity is able to convert fire and brimstone into gold very efficiently. Every Sunday, matter of fact.

[ughaibu]

CraigD: The name 'Tatsuko' suggests a she rather than a he. 'Ko' is one of the standard endings for female names of Japanese. The name might transliterate as 'dragon-child', depending on the character used for 'tatsu'.

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by blazer2000x

The "fire" reffered to in the Bible is not a physical fire. It is sometimes used in context with the Holy Spirit, but it is not the same. It's being tested, trials, seeing if your faith can hold on. And by the way, the greek Bible contains the same truths as the english version. (though some of the more recent ones do have some stuff a bit confused).

Religion is myth misunderstood (Feuerbach).

I'm not really sure how this is supposed to support homosexuality, or maybe I'm just confused. Anyway, homosexuality is clearly and extravegantely described as evil in the Bible. Not really sure why people are so confused about this, the Bible is never "gray" on any subject.

Never gray on any object? Judas dies twice in the Bible, Saul even thrice, and every time in a different manner. Check out http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/...cle_1494.shtml

Rom 1:24-32

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
KJV

So much for Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Plato and numurous other pearls of the human race. But ofcourse, the Bible is right. These people were without natural affection, unmercifull, proud, boasters, inverstors of evil, backbiters and haters of God...

What is it Meyering said, d'apres Nietzsche? 'The old Jews, like Moses/Paul, had something against homosexuals and therefore God had something against homosexuals.'

My father told me that the Gospel is in the Bible, but not the whole Bible is the gospel. And that the fundament to the Gospel was to be found in the sermon on the Mount. And he said: prophets become prophets if clergy decides too. (There have been many Moses's, but the one we know made it). And he said too: prophets are failed philosphers. They couldn't convince through reason, and so they had to call in God and say: don't talk back to me: this comes from God.

And what is more human than to mix up you own likes and dislikes with those of 'God'? And even to deliberately promote your likes and dislikes under the name of God? Because if I read the Bible I have to believe that the same God who had the inner stability and overview to create the universe, all of a sudden is brought out of balance by the consumption of shellfish or the fact that two men caress eachother.

P.S.

If you visit Bible and contradictions within (the link I gave) in the first contradition given they even forgot one. In the original manuscript it is written The GODS created (Elohim bereshit/plural) heaven and earth. Not GOD. So much fir 'never being gray on anything'.

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Tatsuko

In the original manuscript [Hebrew version of Genesis] it is written The GODS created (Elohim bereshit/plural) heaven and earth. Not GOD.

Interesting point about the number (plural vs. singular) of word # 3 of the Bible, ”Elohim”. Although the preceding wikipedia article explains that Elohim is used in the Bible as both a singular and plural noun, it’s odd that the authors used it this way, only to briefly use the correct singlular “Eloah” in a contemporary document, the 17th book of the Bible, Job.

It reminds me of J.R.R Tolkien’s very beautiful, expressly fictional creation story, the Ainulindalë, in which Eru ( (=~ God) creates the Ainur (=~ angels), and it is the Ainur, in singing a great symphony for Eru’s pleasure, the Ainulindalë (meaning “music of the Ainur” in the fictional “elvish” language, Quenya), that actually creates the physical world.

There seem to be competing creation stories involving “God the choir director” vs. “God the lone craftsman”. I hadn’t ‘til now realized this conflict extended even to the Hebrew of the book of Genesis.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by blazer2000x

...Not really sure why people are so confused about this, the Bible is never "gray" on any subject....

Goodness, Blazer.

This really is a remarkable statement. I recognize you were speaking parochially to the Biblical injunctions against homosexuality, but this is hardly a fair generalization. It would be fairer to say that there are several items on which the Bible is clear, but there are a large number on which it is gray.

Even among Biblical conservatives (that is, those who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God) there is significant disagreement on numerous issues.

Claiming Biblical veracity is one thing. Claiming universal clarity would be a surprise to the hundreds (!) of denominations that have separated from each other over credible differences in Biblical interpretation.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by CraigD

Interesting point about the number (plural vs. singular) of word # 3 of the Bible, ”Elohim”....

This is generally recognized in most translations of Genesis 1:26 ("Then God said 'Let Us make man in Our image...'" NASB) and is typically either characterized as a supportive text for the doctirne of the Trinity, or a text that suggests some inclusive role for the heavenly host in the creation events.

[BEAKER]

Originally Posted by Tatsuko

...So much fir 'never being gray on anything'.

Sounds like the makins' of a "fine" new cult. I'm sure you'd quickly develop a large following. There's plenty of people who like to twist the bible into the same pathetic, distorted version that is so far from the original as to be unrecognizable to anyone with a clue. But hey- what's one more?

We're still made in His image; not He in ours.

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by CraigD

Interesting point about the number (plural vs. singular) of word # 3 of the Bible, ”Elohim”. Although the preceding wikipedia article explains that Elohim is used in the Bible as both a singular and plural noun.

Sure it is used in the explanation as both a singular and a plural. But Elohim only means GODS and not God. There is even a Psalm (90/91/92?) by Asef with a congregation of Gods, JHWH presiding...

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by BEAKER

Sounds like the makins' of a "fine" new cult. I'm sure you'd quickly develop a large following. There's plenty of people who like to twist the bible into the same pathetic, distorted version...

Who's twisting? If you point out the numerous contradictions, is one twisting then? I didn't tell God to write down that Judas dies twice in a different on top. The author of the Bible is the twister. In fact, no normal book has so many absudities and contradictions, as the Bible does. So a human writer has more overview then God. That one simply has to conlude.

[Tatsuko]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

I was baffled at first with the title, and how on earth homosexuality could be brought to relation with resurrection. I still am.

However, I have to grant the truth behind the observation of Christianity with alchemy. Alchemists tried to convert ordinary stuff to gold. Christianity is able to convert fire and brimstone into gold very efficiently. Every Sunday, matter of fact.

Churchiantity is going to develop 'The Kingdom within, you people don't know'. Alchemy is. Alchemy is the living God.