an existance of god or lack of

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Rebiu:
1. When you die and brain activity stops so does you awareness.
2. The origins of life and humans are not known in explicit detail but the general concepts are well understood and validated.
3. There are a great many facts for each of these answers.

Fact: something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened; the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something;

Validated: prove valid; show or confirm the validity of something; give evidence for; confirm truthfulness of something

Rebiu, would you please provide me with some links to the scientific evidence that prove that your above statements are indeed fact rather then suppositions, theories or your own personal beliefs? Thanks, I would greatly appreciate it!!

Originally Posted by inside the sun
Religion isn't about facts, or proofs, thats why there is this whole word added Believe

Originally Posted by Reibu
This concept of belief without skepticism and contrary to evidence is very harmful to individuals and societies.

"Very harmful to individuals and societies?" How so?

Example: As an individual, I live in a society/state founded by and largely
(60%) dominated by Mormons.
(81% of Utah individuals are Christians.)
Not only is it considered a highly religious society/state, but it has been ranked in the top 10 best society/states for an individual to live in. ie...

Utah Ranks 3rd Healthiest in Nation
Entrepreneurship and Small Business - Utah ranked 7th
Utah Ranked Best Financial Steward in U.S.
Provo/Orem Utah Ranked Number 1 Secure Location
Utah Ranked 9th Most Technology-Friendly State
Utah has the nation's highest rate of adult volunteers
Utah Ranks 6th for "Economic Freedom"
Utah is Number 3 in Women-Owned Business Growth
Utah ranks 9th for Quality Healthcare
etc...etc...etc....

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by inside the sun

(by the way there were curious literal people that actually tried seeing a difference in weight when a human died, to see if you can see a change in weight due to the departure of soul and mind from vessel.

21 grams, no?

[InfiniteNow]

Questions re: Utah posed in new thread:

http://hypography.com/forums/social-...-happened.html

[Rebiu]

You want me to validate things that are not actual.

Originally Posted by inside the sun

Show me facts for the existance of god.

There are none

Originally Posted by inside the sun

where we were before we were born

We did not exist and therefore we had no location.

Originally Posted by inside the sun

where we go when we are dead.

We no longer exist.

Originally Posted by inside the sun

And im not asking about our bodies, becuase obviously our body was not here, and our body stats and rots here when we die. Their are things inside of us that you cannot use science to see, such as Minds, Souls, Etc...where do these things go when we die?

These are patterns in the medium of our brains and bodies nothing more. Where is you evidence that they are somehow persistent.

Originally Posted by inside the sun

(by the way there were curious literal people that actually tried seeing a difference in weight when a human died, to see if you can see a change in weight due to the departure of soul and mind from vessel.

It is a horrible thing to take things literally, to not think outside the box, and also to have a close mind.

I feel, to believe in the irrational because it give you comfort, is an equally horrible thing.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by Celeste

Rebiu, would you please provide me with some links to the scientific evidence that prove that your above statements are indeed fact rather then suppositions, theories or your own personal beliefs? Thanks, I would greatly appreciate it!!

Neither I nor anyone else can prove a negative of this nature. The simplest solution is to be accepted until evidence of something else is quantified. Very typical of the theist to claim that lack of evidence is not evidence of lacking when in fact that is exactly what it is.

Originally Posted by Celeste

"Very harmful to individuals and societies?" How so?

Here are some examples. Religious teachings that homosexuals are a threat to society. Religiously rationalized attacks on evolution. Discriminatory hiring practices based on religion. The attribution of unwanted behavior to evil forces.

Originally Posted by Celeste

Example: As an individual, I live in a society/state founded by and largely
(60%) dominated by Mormons.
(81% of Utah individuals are Christians.)
Not only is it considered a highly religious society/state, but it has been ranked in the top 10 best society/states for an individual to live in. ie...

Utah Ranks 3rd Healthiest in Nation
Entrepreneurship and Small Business - Utah ranked 7th
Utah Ranked Best Financial Steward in U.S.
Provo/Orem Utah Ranked Number 1 Secure Location
Utah Ranked 9th Most Technology-Friendly State
Utah has the nation's highest rate of adult volunteers
Utah Ranks 6th for "Economic Freedom"
Utah is Number 3 in Women-Owned Business Growth
Utah ranks 9th for Quality Healthcare
etc...etc...etc....

Perhaps you see this as evidence of religions benign nature but are you aware of the violence of Utah’s beginning that was caused by religious forces on both sides of the conflict.

[inside the sun]

haha yeah i saw that movie

[questor]

why not just say that God only exists in the mind of man, while the creator of the universe existed long before the advent of man. there is no proof that the universe was created, and no proof that it was NOT created, therefore we have to rely upon evidence for or against each theory. THAT is where the
discussion should be, the rest means nothing.

[inside the sun]

Here are some examples. Religious teachings that homosexuals are a threat to society. Religiously rationalized attacks on evolution. Discriminatory hiring practices based on religion. The attribution of unwanted behavior to evil forces.

yes, when taken literally religion is a horrible thing, but that is the point, it is not to be taken literally. The whole purpose of religion is comfort for those that need it, you are happy accepting your own belief, so let others accept theirs, AS LONG AS NEITHER SIDE is hurting anyone, i see no problem in it. When beliefs attack people, such as the ku klux klan and their beliefs, then yes, i disagree with that. but buddhism..psh, that is all about self, and improving self, and the quest for self, and this and that...there is NO harm whatsoever in that.

[HydrogenBond]

One possible scientific way to explain God is with relativity. If we moved at the speed of light, time would be totally dilated or would last an eternity in our reference. Mass would increase to infinite providing all the matter for endless universes and dimensions. Distance would also be contracted to where a point but would extend to infinity. This provides all the room needed for our and any other speculated universes.

In other words, finite is a subset of infinite. Because our universe is infinite in mass, distance and time, only a insignificant piece of God or infinity is needed to make the finite universe and he had an infinite time to do it. Being at the speed of light, he is the same in all references, so God is the same to humans and angels. This is only a reasonable theory and does not reflect any type of certainty.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by inside the sun

yes, when taken literally religion is a horrible thing, but that is the point, it is not to be taken literally. The whole purpose of religion is comfort for those that need it, you are happy accepting your own belief, so let others accept theirs, AS LONG AS NEITHER SIDE is hurting anyone, i see no problem in it. When beliefs attack people, such as the ku klux klan and their beliefs, then yes, i disagree with that. but buddhism..psh, that is all about self, and improving self, and the quest for self, and this and that...there is NO harm whatsoever in that.

I accept you perspective and appreciate your decorum. I do not agree with the benign nature of any religion however in deference to you I must acknowledge that religion is usually not the source of ill intent. Thank you for the dialogue.