[Strictly_Platonic]

Well hello all of you. My name is Brett and I’m another one of MagnetMan’s daughters and Cat’s (Moonbaby) sister. I was just informed of this thread and what was happening within. Frankly, I thought the reports were exaggerated and came to look for myself. I have found that my family grossly understated what is going on here. I find myself outraged by the comments made within. Not only has my father, my family, and my social upbringing been insulted, but I have been insulted as well. To say with all the resources we have today (you know, the internet) that we would not know whether we were deprived or not I take as an insult to my intelligence. Oh wait, I don’t have intelligence because I couldn’t read 20,000 thousand leagues under the sea when I was 10. But just so you know, 6 months after I learned to read I did read just about every one of the classics, from Jules Verne to James Fennimore Cooper to Mark Twain and Edgar Rice Burroughs. Shortly after I finished those (it took me less than a year to get through some 20 to 30 books and this is after I had only been reading for half a year) I wrote a 150 page novel. Sure, I’ve killed it now, but a year later I wrote one 250 pages long. In that time I went through several books of Greek mythology, several large biographies ranging from Napoleon Bonaparte to Ronald Regan. Oh and, dude, one year after I learned to read and write and all that good stuff, I took a national school test at 7th-8th grade level and you know what? I passed, with flying colors, in all my subjects especially language mechanics and science and I had never opened a science book in my life. All I had learned I had learned from my dad giving us verbal lessons in day to day life. Okay, I’ll be honest. I didn’t pass with flying colors in all my subjects. I flunked spelling in a pretty bad way. There, my skeleton is out for all of you to see.
Now, to address another personal attack on my dad. Him willfully keeping us out of school. Okay, yeah, he’s dead guilty. To an extent. 2 or 3 years after I was introduced to the world of reading, he did send me and three of my other siblings to public school for a couple of days. Yes, just a couple. Why just 2? Well, because we wanted out. You know what was going on in my class room? Kids, two years older than me were jumping off and around their school desk laughing and playing during the time they were supposed to be studying. My siblings and I were the only ones sitting at our desks quietly doing our school work. Its hard to concentrate though when you have twenty kids screaming and laughing around you. So our parents took us out. The best thing that ever happened. Because, you know the worst thing about going to public school was (besides not being able to learn a thing) was being separated from my family. I have two younger siblings that I have helped to take care of since they were but a few months old and now are in the process of learning to read. Scratch that, one already has learned to read, about a year ago if that. In that time she has read two 500 page books and at least three other smaller books of history and several others. And now, she’s writing a book as well. She’s already some seventy pages into it and she only started two months ago, and from what I’ve seen of it so far, her eloquence surpasses me and I’ve been reading and writing for 6-8 years. But I guess we’re still village idiots.

'Superstition' is an artifact of ignorance. But if you can't read or write or do maths, it's probably to be expected. Jeez, Louise...

Really? Okay, so you’ve read what I’ve said so far about the reading and all that stuff, right? Okay, so now I’m educated, we’ve settled that. But I still believe that if I do something wrong I will be paid back for it in some sort of way that will make sure I never do it again. Its strange that that you say superstition is ignorance. How many people believe in Karma? That’s what our Tokalosh is, our Karma.

Words fail me, again. So you send an illiterate skinhead into the bush to go fend for himself. Why, pray tell? What the hell might be your motivations for this?

An illiterate skinhead?! Words cannot grasp how deeply offended I am. I mean, skinhead carries connotations I do not care to have pinned to me, thank you very much. I don’t believe people should be eradicated simply because they have a different religion to mine. Quite the contrary, thank you. And hey, do you know about that comeback in school when one kid calls another a nasty name? Takes one to know one. Makes me think there’s a basis of truth in it. You’re slamming my dad because he believes in something different than you. Well, crucify me next to him.

Oh, yes - must be a ripper when you're 14 and you have to read about the bunny and the tortoise. Real intellectual stuff, man. Gimme a break. By that time, being 14, they have lost out on laying the foundations of intellectual development. Neurological patterns are laid down. Take my word for it - they will have a permanent disadvantage in reading and understanding advanced materials. I honestly don't think you're qualified to raise children.

Hmm, the bunny and the tortoise. Never read it. So yeah, the first book I read was “Lady and the Tramp”. I stand guilty. But the next thing I read was Jason and the Argonauts. And after that? All those classical authors and other books I mention above. Yeah, Einstein leaves me a little confused and I probably couldn’t read Crime and Punishment if my life depended on it, but pick some one my age out of a crowd and tell me they can. And algebra drives me nuts. Again, give me another teenager my age that really likes doing mathematics.

God Almighty. Of course they would want to be 'Global Stewards'. They haven't been exposed to anything else living under your roof. You have raised a bunch of brainwashed, socially maladapted (would members of their peer-group come and visit kids who can't read or write?) kids who have only been exposed to your patronising, arrogant views. I also suspect your kids won't have much to talk about in company. No critique towards them as individuals, of course, but I think you kinda screwed them up for many years to come, still.

Well I do say! For guys that want to help the world advance into a new order, you sure aren’t making me want to join with you. I mean, here’s my dad saying he’s got 8 kids wanting to help change the world and you’re calling us a bunch of nuts. I mean, jeez, don’t you want us to be good and try and stop the world from going to pot? Guess not. And about kids in my peer age. When I learned to read and got on the internet, do you want to know what 14 year old boys and girls were talking about? Well, girls were talking about how this other girl got this groovy little skirt and how the boy behind her always pulled her hair in class. Oh wow. Thrilling, intellectual conversation that was. I mean, not one person I talked to had read any one of the classics or anything remotely interesting. And you know, I have 7 siblings, all with their own unique personality and ideas. We always argue and debate things with each other, almost every day. And rarely is there a nasty word thrown in and insults are foreign to us. Yes, I prefer them to others who cannot abide by common decency.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan
If an appology is not forth coming, let me remind you, this universe is a small place. We will meet face to face one day.

That a threat? What the hell is wrong with you?

Hmm, intimidated by a 65 year old man on the internet. No other comment.

I think I’ll leave off here. Hopefully I’ve made my point.

(And about my name, I mean the second definition -perfect but unreal: perfect in form or conception but not found in reality- okay, not the other one)

[TheBigDog]

I was going to comment on your amazing resemplance to your father.

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

That may be so, but from my present position I am very pleased to have grown up in such a completely unique way. Without knowing me, or how I turned out, how can you make such a prejorative statement? How do you know I haven’t turned out to be the most charming gift to the planet since bubblegum?

Unique solutions work for unique situations. If this worked for you then more power to you. Bubblegum - how appropirate - flavor but no nutrients.

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

I’ve actually been reading since eleven (puberty started for me then) I can hardly imagine what great tomes I missed out on before then. What were you reading at five? War and Peace? Crime and Punishment? If so, did you understand the underlying rationale? Anybody can read early. Early reading is pure indoctrination… you haven’t enough life experience to qualify what it is you are reading. Don’t you see that you have missed the whole point? Delayed reading was not to keep me away from all the wonderful literature to be read, but to give me an appreciation of words and their meanings and an ability to form an opinion on what I was reading. You are talking about sheer quantity… my dad was talking about quality.

Was it your choice to not read until you were eleven? My 3 year old wants to read. Should I keep books out of his hands until his voice begins to change? The logic that you and your father are using is flawed. The sample size of your family and the relative success in education of the kids is hardly a decisive reason to throw away the education system. For all of its warts and shortcomings it is the result of societal evolution in the effort to produce capable and knowledgable citizens. Be happy for yourselves, but realize that your circomstances are unique, and your results are due to the capabilities of the people involved. (that is a compliment)

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

First of all my family are my best friends. I was born and raised for the first seven years of my life in a little place called Hollywood. I had many friends growing up in the city, and they are still my good friends all these years later despite our remote location. They come to visit and I have the unique perspective that distance has given me. No I have never been an outcast. While different, people who are open-minded - the only kind that I am willing to associate with - have never seen me as a freak.

Hollywood? Unless you are a Republican you are mainstream there.

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

Most people on the planet hardly read heavy books… intellectuals remain a rare breed. What am I supposed to catch up to? I revere history, and by unearthing its pre-literate origins my dad has given me the best perspective on how and why literature developed that I have yet to find in any other contemporary analysis of intellectual development. This fundamental understanding puts me ahead of the curve, and makes me more careful of the books I choose to read (and author myself) in the future.

Arrogant eliltist attitudes are not attractive. In general terms, the earlier you learn things the better. There are examples that stand as exceptions to that. But the laws of probability are on the side of earlier is better.

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

I weigh 115, and if you’re scared of me you should be ashamed of yourself. You need to lighten up.

I don't care your weight, or your gender, or whatever. Threats of physical violence are not called for. Period. I guess this is not the case in your well adjusted and polite, thick skinned, good humored, forward thinking, open minded, elegant, intellectual, artistic, humorous, daring, courageous, considerate and spiritual world.

Originally Posted by MoonBaby

I’ll grant you that is a problem, but what is the alternative? There is no point to going to Rome, it became decadent an age ago... Our only hope is to rectify it by rebuilding Rome here in the pristine uncontaminated environment of this high desert valley and showing it what life can be like when one really enjoys the simple things in life and not just talk about it. In the meantime, within the warmth and company of our (large) family group, my child has a chance to grow up inside the most elegant, intellectual, artistic, humorous, daring, courageous, considerate and spiritual environment any mother could ever wish for. You should see the palace we have built in this wilderness. It is fully connected to the world through the internet and satellite without suffering from the polluted residue. My sons lungs, mind, heart and soul are clean, thank god, and will remain so.

What aspects of Rome are you pining for exactly? Just go to Vegas. In the mean time, enjoy the compound. Don't lock anybody in. Stay away from the fruit drinks.

Bill

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Was it your choice to not read until you were eleven? My 3 year old wants to read. Should I keep books out of his hands until his voice begins to change?

The only way one can teach a three year old to read is via rote indoctrination. In this way whatever original style of grammatical construction that child might have expressed if its mind had not already been mechnaically processed is lost. Most high school graduates can barely write a legible letter, let alone make it interesting. Ergo, we have a dirth of good poets and essayists. All my kids have written poems and novels already - not because I asked them to - but because of an innate awaking of intellectual delight in using words to make plots and characters come alive as their own creation. The impulse burst out of each of them spontaneously. This is the the ancestral heritage of all of us. This delightful and creative intellectual excersize via writing essays and novels and poems is sadly repressed in most of our school kids. God alone knows how many potentially great writers have we might have suppressed! You might want to think a little more deeper about this before you get your kid automated and purhaps crush forever originality that might be there. I have proved that conventional wisdom is wrong - that late reading is not repressive - but exactly the reverse.

The logic that you and your father are using is flawed. The sample size of your family and the relative success in education of the kids is hardly a decisive reason to throw away the education system.

The group is small indeed. But the results have been 100% conclusive despite all and sundry telling me I would end up with illiterate idiots twenty years ago.

For all of its warts and shortcomings it is the result of societal evolution in the effort to produce capable and knowledgable citizens.

The implimentation of a compulsory national school system was necessary during the era of nation building and the need for a uniformly literate work force able to build up our national industries and man the mass poduction lines. But that mechanical era is over. We need a vastly more creative and orginal mind on the planet today.

I do not know if the self-motivating system I developed for my kids is the best one around. I do know that it takes dual brain development into account and also instills a profound sense of moral self-policing. So its a start at the very least.

The very least I expected from this science forum was some constructuive criticism - not derrision.

As it stands the current state system produces only 1% of straight A students. 40% drop out entirely before graduation, and of the mediocre rest, many cheat at examainations. What a waste of potential genius. These are stark realities that are bothering tens of thousands of parents who have already withdrawn their kids from the system.

Be happy for yourselves, but realize that your circomstances are unique, and your results are due to the capabilities of the people involved. (that is a compliment)
Bill

Thanks for the compliment. But the only unique input from the parents has been because we care about their education more than most. The kids imprinted genius and striving for personal excellence surfaced under their own steam under the right encouragement.

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[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Strictly_Platonic

Hmm, intimidated by a 65 year old man on the internet. No other comment.

I think I’ll leave off here. Hopefully I’ve made my point.

(And about my name, I mean the second definition -perfect but unreal: perfect in form or conception but not found in reality- okay, not the other one)

At the risk of speaking for Mullet, not intimidated, just dismayed. I think your point is that you are well adjusted despite the methods of your education. My congratulations to you.

And thanks for the clarification on the name. I was thinking that there was no chance of you putting out. (humor)

Bill

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

The only way one can teach a three year old to read is via rote indoctrination. In this way whatever original style of grammatical construction that child might have expressed if its mind had not already been mechnaically processed is lost.
...
You might want to think a little more deeper about this before you get your kid automated and purhaps crush forever originality that might be there. I have proved that conventional wisdom is wrong - that late reading is not repressive - but exactly the reverse.

You can believe this all you want. And you can point to your own methods of educating your children as evidence. But it is absolutely untrue. Children can learn very impressive things at a very early age. Reading is just one of them. The billions of examples in history that do not fall into your model must be aboritions - rather than the other way around. Besides, I want my kids to learn correct english and grammar. They can be creative with it after they have proven mastery of the essentials. My wife and I determine the essentials for our kids. I am allowed to hold them to higher standards than the school system, much to their chagrin.

When given advice opposite to what you are preaching you take it as an insult. How should I take your advice to me? How should I consider your arrogant presumption that I have not contemplated the education of my children? I am confident that teaching #4 to read when he want to read is the best thing for him. I remember my own experience, the experience of my older children, the studying on the topic I have done, the observations I have made through a lifetime. All of them add up to encouraging his impulse to learn to read at any time he appears to be willing.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

The group is small indeed. But the results have been 100% conclusive despite all and sundry telling me I would end up with illiterate idiots twenty years ago.

Congratulations.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

The implimentation of a compulsory national school system was necessary during the era of nation building and the need for a uniformly literate work force able to build up our national industries and man the mass poduction lines. But that mechanical era is over. We need a vastly more creative and orginal mind on the planet today.

You are far removed from the reality I see every day. We are in a service economy. Feeding that supply chain of services requires expertise at all levels. Life is a competition. Education prepares you to win in the battle for better jobs. It can also help you win in the battle to "build a better mousetrap". The world needs ditch diggers too. If that is all a person is willing or capable to accell to, that is what they get. We are adding life changing technologies every day. But we are not changing people or ambition - they remain the same.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

I do not know if the self-motivating system I developed for my kids is the best one around. I do know that it takes dual brain development into account and also instills a profound sense of moral self-policing. So its a start at the very least.

The very least I expected from this science forum was some constructuive criticism - not derrision.

If you don't know if it the best, then why do you preach it as the only alternative? You come off so arrogant that you are unbearable. Constructive critisizm? You have been getting it since you got here. You arrogantly brush it off as misguided old fashioed brainwashed preachings, or ignore it when it hits a raw nerve. It turns into derrison because you are a troll trying to pedal your wares and you have absolutly no intention of actually debating anything.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

As it stands the current state system produces only 1% of straight A students. 40% drop out entirely before graduation, and of the mediocre rest, many cheat at examainations. What a waste of potential genius. These are stark realities that are bothering tens of thousands of parents who have already withdrawn their kids from the system.

What is your point, aside from preaching innaccurate statistics?

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Thanks for the compliment. But the only unique input from the parents has been because we care about their education more than most. The kids imprinted genius and striving for personal excellence surfaced under their own steam under the right encouragement.

Again, congratulations. But because this has worked for you does not mean that it should be recommended to the general public. I was a show one time about a snake charmer in India. He had a King Cobra that he treated like a housepet. It roamed freely around the house and the yard. He hand fer it. In the show it was crawwling around on the laps of his small children. He was convinced that this was the normal way of things, and that it was important for his children to develop that relationship with snakes. They may turn out to be fine snake charmers like their father. Should I get a King Cobra for my house because it appeared to be working for him? That is why your experience with your 8 kids is insufficient to establish a model for all humanity, or to make broad judgements about every other method of education in the world.

Now, once again I will pose this question...

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Hypothetical: Your vision of the future has come into being. There has been a majority mass conciousness change of the imperitive to share instead of want. We are a majority of planetary stewards. How do you deal with the dissodents? What is your solution to the minority who are not prepared to willingly comply with the new world order?

How long will you evade this question? What is so troubling about trying to answer it?

Bill

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Originally Posted by TheBigDog
Hypothetical: Your vision of the future has come into being. There has been a majority mass conciousness change of the imperitive to share instead of want. We are a majority of planetary stewards. How do you deal with the dissodents? What is your solution to the minority who are not prepared to willingly comply with the new world order?

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

As to dissodents. I have faith in human nature. They will come around eventually. Truth ultimately prevails.

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

This is a chicken-shit bull-shit copout of an onswer that typifies your contribution to these threads. The vast majority of human history is based upon beliefs that your new world order would deem to be lies, and you just stay blissfully distant from that bold fact. You claim that the core values of humans are going to change, to evolve, but you cannot say why other than that you predict it as an evolutionary imperative. That is just not an adequate explanation. So I will try one more time.
How long will you evade this question? What is so troubling about trying to answer it?Bill

You have accused me repeatedly of rejecting any answer that I do not like. How about yourself? I had no trouble in answering it when you first asked it. What more would you like me to say that will satisfy you?

I have listed the logical sequence of evolutionary changes several times on various threads. I have even posted diagrams. I never said that our core values would change. Personal integrity, family and extended family values will always underpin human consciousness. I said that nationalism and capitalism and religious scripture, just like clanism and a farm-based economy and totemic worship in the past, would become passe - become part of our history - that those artificial Old Age values wil not play in the new world paradigm. In this new view an egalitarian global society, all working together to steward the home planet as a single family estate will be an evolutionary imperative. The individual does not become lost in this Nuclear Age of common effort - but infinitely empowered by the vast challenges placed on each of our unique gifts put towards a common goal that benefits high and low equally.
If my view of how this sequence plays out proves to be false, then so be it. At least it is a noble view. What more can I say? That I don't believe my own positive impression of the common responce to goodness in human nature, given the right encouragement? Am I not allowed to hold this view or try to share it because it does not agree with yours? Maybe if you spell out exactly what I am supposed to say, you will remove my present confusion.

[MoonBaby]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

I was going to comment on your amazing resemplance to your father.

I thank you for the compliment. It one of the best I've ever been given, you devil you.

Bubblegum - how appropirate - flavor but no nutrients.

And here I was starting to think you hadn't a sense of humor! Cool! My favorite is peppermint. What's yours?

Was it your choice to not read until you were eleven?

Are you kidding, I was so busy having fun, why would I want to bury my nose in a book before then. I taught myself when I was ready.

Hollywood? Unless you are a Republican you are mainstream there.

I think I missed the boat on this one... are you saying that one is not open-minded unless they live in Hollywood? Or that anyone who lives in Hollywood is a freak? Either way it must be one of those dreaded gross generalizations.

Arrogant eliltist attitudes are not attractive. In general terms, the earlier you learn things the better. There are examples that stand as exceptions to that. But the laws of probability are on the side of earlier is better.

I wasn't referring to either you or I as being intellectuals. Pseudo maybe, but intellectuals definitely not. Or we would not be having this discussion.

I don't care your weight, or your gender, or whatever. Threats of physical violence are not called for. Period. I guess this is not the case in your well adjusted and polite, thick skinned, good humored, forward thinking, open minded, elegant, intellectual, artistic, humorous, daring, courageous, considerate and spiritual world.

I am officially extending my advise to lighten up to you, good sir. It was a jest, made to lighten up the seriousness of what was being said... considering what was said about and to me and my family I think it was quite tame. Typical to twist a joke in order to disguise a rudeness. I'm jumping off this dead horse.

What aspects of Rome are you pining for exactly? Just go to Vegas. In the mean time, enjoy the compound. Don't lock anybody in. Stay away from the fruit drinks.

Oh no! Not yet another example of a yokel who does not appreciate the use of metaphor. We have no keys or locks or vaults or moats or fences in this "compound". Is orange juice okay?

After reading all of the above, it's hard to believe that I am talking to serious scientists on a serious subject. Who cares this is more fun! At least it would be if it weren't so tragic.

[Boerseun]

Well, now.

Now we have heard from two of MagnetMan's kids. It seems that if MagnetMan can't win his arguments from authority (like he's been trying to), he calls in the cavalry and tries to make his stand through sheer volume (if not content).

So - to recap: MagnetMan came to Hypo, with the sole intent of selling his wares. His wares was in the form of a book called psyche-genetics. He kept on making references towards his book, and when asked for clarification, kept on saying that there's no point in retyping the whole thing, you had to buy the book to know what he was on about. And when conflicting viewpoints rose, a patronising arrogant attitude was used such as "you sound like a twelve year old", or (even in this thread, a couple 'o posts ago) "one day you will grow up as well". Eventually MagnetMan started posting little bits of his threory, and some meaningless schematics. I even went to his site that's got a forum that's moderated by one of his kids, with about zero visitors and zero posts to go see what it's all about. This site, this so-called 'theory' contains such choice tidbits such as:

We will be in direct contact with
spiritual beings seeking rebirth and experience the joy of bringing them down to Earth, to be loved and guided by
us on their path to full self-realization.

We will assume our seat at the Center of Galactic
Command as Companions of a United God. We will be able to assume any form at will and translocate to
wherever we wish, back and forward through Time and Space.

Should the Psyche-Genetic premise prove to resonate with the general population, it will resolve the current
debate over Intelligent Design

Twenty five centuries later, particle physicists endorsed the atomic polarity of nuclear energy – but have yet to
acknowledge that the atom is intrinsically charismatic – that it has a conscious Soul.

The charismatic effect of consciousness on matter has been obliquely confirmed by the use of charismatic
terms, such as charm and beauty and strangeness, in an attempt to characterize the undeterminable behavioral
anomalies observed during experiments in quantum mechanics.

...
The list goes on. The relevance of his philosophy to science is unclear to me. At the most, it might be called 'religious', at the least, it indicates an incredibly weak understanding of science, religion, quantum physics, etc.

So, after he shared the incredible way in which he raised his kids, I called him a nut. And I still stick to it, no matter what price I'll have to pay, because he's not here to participate in any meaningful way in science-related debate or discussions, MagnetMan is here solely for pimping his book, the one that contains more of the bullshit laid out above. Initially, we had a good chat over PM seeing as he's from my neck 'o the woods, until I started seeing his attitude and take on criticism. I gave couple of jabs in the "Africa & Colonialism" thread, and got this in PM:

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

As you know I have ulterior motives here, with every intention of roping you in and hogtieing you to my way of thinking. Will be very disappoinnted if you do not have Psyche-Genetics on order, or you will be forcing me to rewrite the whole damn book in response to your pokes.

Is that how debates are run? Is this an example of an 'open mind'? Whenever anything is being debated, MagnetMan is looking for an angle to pimp his book. That is simply not constructive towards the debate, and is not the intention of how Hypography should be run.

When MagnetMan introduced himself initially, he also complained to me that he's been on plenty forums, and keeps getting banned. You don't happen to see a trend here, MagnetMan? Maybe the issue don't lie with intolerant moderators and administrators, maybe the issue lies with your incredibly arrogant and disrespectful attitude, being very intolerant of any form of criticism and critique.

And kids, hate telling this to you, but the 'Tokalosh' is actually spelt 'Tokolosh', or if you're a bona fide zulu, iTokolosh, and is an evil spirit. Black superstitious people in South Africa actually raise their beds off the floors on paint cans, bricks, anything they can to make it hard for the Tokolosh to hide there undetected. So that's your Karma, then. Interesting. But scary, nonetheless. Karmas and spiritual things have nothing to do with science, and shouldn't be on a science forum. I also read in your dad's post that you kids have had ESP training. I have asked your dad for links or resources towards that, but up till now I have heard nothing. ESP (and related bullshit like telekinesis) have been repeatedly blown out of the water by that evildoer, the "SCIENTIFIC METHOD". It falls under pseudoscience. Also known as 'party tricks', 'smoke and mirrors', or my personal favourite, 'utter bullshit'. Pick one.

After the above, I still stick to my guns. MagnetMan is failing miserably to actively and productively contribute anything at all without pimping his wares, and that to me is a transgression of Hypo's rules. Me calling him a nut is another transgression of Hypo's rules. I'll live with the consequences, and will not apologize.

So - we should ask ourselves: Is Hypo going to maintain the efforts of being a serious site for seriously discussing science-related issues, or are we going to allow each man and his dog to pimp his delusions here? Without any proof? What is Hypo exactly? And advertising board for nutjobs? I think not, and I haven't experienced it as such for the last thousand-odd posts over the last year or so - but this is getting ridiculous.

[Eclogite]

To the various offspring of MM, seen and unseen, hello. To MM himself, hello again.

You are presently very likely seeing me as one the enemies, although, disappointingly, I haven't received any death threats from you all yet. [Are you afraid of a myopic of fifty seven year old who has already had two strokes? ]

Boerseun and Big Dog have expressed their viewpoints with some clarity. My take on those views is irrelevant to what I wish to say, but for the record I am in broad agreement with them. [I mean really, MM, you must know you are a nutter.]

With all that said you probably can't think of a single reason why you should listen to me, or pay any heed to the advice I am about to give. That is you choice, but it is would also be your loss.

You are failing and will continue to fail in your goals for three reasons:

1) You offer no evidence for your more extraordinary claims.
2) Your writing style is an unattractive concatenation of pseudo-terminology.
3) Your thesis is nonsense.

I cannot offer any advice on the latter (other than abandon it), but on the first two points I believe I can. Take it or leave it as you wish.

If you wish to convince people, especially on a site such as this, it can only be done by offering structured argument and organised evidence. You have failed repeatedly to do so. Instead you have relied upon bluster and argument from authority. These will not work. You must change this approach if you are to stand any chance of success.

Secondly, cut the New World Order pretentious-speak. Certain of your paragraphs are nicely written, have a clear point, conveyed with conviction and sincerity. These, regrettably, are few and far between. When you lapse into your theory you are using words and phrases that may well resonate with you, but are gobbledygook to the mass audience. Therefore:

Define any term very clearly, thoroughly and comprehensively, from multiple directions, before using it routinely.
Do not use a term in a radically different way from how it is currently understood in society or science.
Respond positively when people ask for clarification of ideas or evidence.

This advice is not free. To accept it you will have to pay a heavy price in re-evaluating aspects of yourself. I suspect, sadly, you will be unwilling to pay that price. Your choice.


Two minor points: MoonBaby and Strictly Platonic - I started reading when I was three. I wrote my first novel when I was nine or ten. It was crap. I bet yours were too.

Boerseun: You know I support your views, but a pm is a personal message. You should not have quoted from MM's pm to you without his agreement. That is a breach of internet etiquette and was, in my opinion, wrong.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

Boerseun: You know I support your views, but a pm is a personal message. You should not have quoted from MM's pm to you without his agreement. That is a breach of internet etiquette and was, in my opinion, wrong.

You're right. For this I do apologize.