[Zythryn]

MM (and family).

I was very concerned and quite speechless when I read your social experiments with your own family. Many of your experiments sounded very dangerous and detrimental.

I am thrilled that your kids have done so well. Instead of psyche-genisis, I would recommend documenting the incredible system which allows the kids to learn to read and advance so quickly from Lady and the Tramp to much more advanced novels immediately. With this introduction of how well it works, you can then move into psyche-genisis with a better chance of success.

Many others have spoken much better than I can.

In a nutshell though, if you can structure your statements with evidence and logic rather than stories and 'insights' (without related tests) that will be much more easily accepted.

As for some of these books your kids have written, can you give us the names, or the names they are written under?

Is your idea of society more communal in nature? It does sound so.
If so, do you and your kids all live together?

Have you ever lost a child sending them into the mountains alone for three days? If you have not considered that, please be careful in the future.

Mark

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

You have accused me repeatedly of rejecting any answer that I do not like. How about yourself? I had no trouble in answering it when you first asked it. What more would you like me to say that will satisfy you?

I have listed the logical sequence of evolutionary changes several times on various threads. I have even posted diagrams. I never said that our core values would change. Personal integrity, family and extended family values will always underpin human consciousness. I said that nationalism and capitalism and religious scripture, just like clanism and a farm-based economy and totemic worship in the past, would become passe - become part of our history - that those artificial Old Age values wil not play in the new world paradigm. In this new view an egalitarian global society, all working together to steward the home planet as a single family estate will be an evolutionary imperative. The individual does not become lost in this Nuclear Age of common effort - but infinitely empowered by the vast challenges placed on each of our unique gifts put towards a common goal that benefits high and low equally.
If my view of how this sequence plays out proves to be false, then so be it. At least it is a noble view. What more can I say? That I don't believe my own positive impression of the common responce to goodness in human nature, given the right encouragement? Am I not allowed to hold this view or try to share it because it does not agree with yours? Maybe if you spell out exactly what I am supposed to say, you will remove my present confusion.

Confusion is the core of your present view. Maybe that is the problem with it.

You are essentially answering my question with "because I say so" or "there will be no dissodents" or "dissodents are irrellevant". Those are the words I am hearing in what you do and don't say.

So I will ask again - and I believe that the vast majority of those reading this site understand the question and what merits a valid answer...

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Hypothetical: Your vision of the future has come into being. There has been a majority mass conciousness change of the imperitive to share instead of want. We are a majority of planetary stewards. How do you deal with the dissodents? What is your solution to the minority who are not prepared to willingly comply with the new world order?

Bill

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

MM (and family).

I was very concerned and quite speechless when I read your social experiments with your own family. Many of your experiments sounded very dangerous and detrimental.

Your concern for the children is natural, since you do not know the background to our educational experiments. The children and I have been hiking and camping in the mountains ever since they could walk. In fact I have videos of them still in diapers, clmbing rock faces. By the time each hit puberty threy were relative experts in out-door living. The 14,000 foot mountain peaks they were sent solo into overlook our ranch. They had been trained to use firearms and each was armed against possible mountain lion or bear. Each had a mirror reflector to let is know each morning if they were still fine. So they were well prepared beforehand and evey precaution was taken. The remaining risks had to be part of the program, or it would have had no dynamic.
Secondly I am from Africa. I have some Pondo bllood. It is ancient tradition to send pubertal boys after circumcision(I sent the gitrls too) into the mountains for three months. The objective is to wean them from childhood and get them to appreciate the values of family and community and the long efforst of the ancestors to develop the comforts of home. When the ordeal is over, they come down from the mountains as young men, no longer boys. So there is much precedent. Each of my kids are more proud of the days and nights they spent alone than all the other years in the mountains put together. Additionally Home Sweet Home has special meaning to them now.

I am thrilled that your kids have done so well. Instead of psyche-genisis, I would recommend documenting the incredible system which allows the kids to learn to read and advance so quickly from Lady and the Tramp to much more advanced novels immediately. With this introduction of how well it works, you can then move into psyche-genisis with a better chance of success.

The average African child who has never been inside a classroom. has a vocabulary at least five time greater than those who have. The difference between listening to an oral account of tribal lore or any of the other adventures in life, as apposed to reading it in a book leaves far deeper impressions on the psyche. The imprint in memory becomes indelible, as the child listens to the stories, watches the facial expressions of the recounter and the body language. It is the reason why all people love to watch staged plays and movies. So instead of books, my wife and I told stories and recountred everything we knew about our family and national hiostories and world history. We gave our own interpretatations of mythology and the scriptures and the metaphorical implications behind them.

We have a large home and property, so there are endless chores and each got their assigmnents rotated. We built our home ourselves and maintain it ourselves. So there is constant repair work. All learned workshop crafts, which gave them a practical basis of mathemetaical measurements. We have satelite TV. Watching documentary channels fed them with all the world's wealth of social and environmental facts. And so, as they reached puberty and wanted, of their own accord. to master reading and writing, they were already bursting with imagery, ideas and fantasies of their own. With very little guidance from us, each compressed the whole of primary school training into three months and passed their (comulsory for homeschoolers) 8th grade examinations with flying colours. They immediately mastered and surfed the internet, and began writing phantasy novels.

Yoga exercizes, meditatiion and telephathic drills where part of their daily routine. We have proved that ESP is an integral part of human communication. If you train daily to guess what I am thinking of with feqwere and fewer clues- after a year or two you start getting direct hits. My kids were getting six out of six regularly. That same ESP training is done among shamans throughtout Africa. Most scientists have no idea of what the mind is really capable of.

As far as we are concerned our HeartStart program is an unqulaifuied success. We formed a non-profit foundation and our plan is to encourage a few more families to try it out so that we can present the findings from a larger experimental base.

In a nutshell though, if you can structure your statements with evidence and logic rather than stories and 'insights' (without related tests) that will be much more easily accepted.

I have written a book and tried to detail the rationale and methodolgy of Psyche-Genetics as clearly as I can. The task of redefining human consciousness in entirely new terms is way beyond the capacity of a single mind. Psyche-Genetics presents a basic skeleton of a brand new way of evaluating and quantifying human consciousness. My greatest advantage in formulating it is also my greatest handicap. I have almsot zero professional training - which has allowed my mind to explore new avenues without preconcieved in-put. As a film maker I was able to report on my findings without too much trouble, for that is the direct advantage of visual imagery. Script and style of presentation has been is the big barrier, hence the struggle I am having here trying to present aspects of Psyche-Genetics without rewriting the whole book each time. With luck people more qualified in presentation will grasp the implications of this radical new theory, and be interested in helping to improve on the presentation.

As for some of these books your kids have written, can you give us the names, or the names they are written under?

They will not even let me read more tha n apage or two yet. They keep saying, Dad, its a work in progress. They are unquestionably far above average writers. I am hoping at least one emergerges as a truly great writer

Is your idea of society more communal in nature? It does sound so.
If so, do you and your kids all live together?

We have forty acres. All want to live and die here. Old fashioned family values are as tight as they were during my grandparents time. None of them want to become migrant workers. Nobles look after their own estate. Every family should have a noble home base.

Have you ever lost a child sending them into the mountains alone for three days? If you have not considered that, please be careful in the future.
Mark

To loose just one will surely break our hearts. But life cannot be dynamic without risk. But thank you for your interetst and your care.

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

With luck people more qualified in presentation will grasp the implications of this radical new theory, and be interested in helping to improve on the presentation.

You seem to understand the principle of tempering steel in fire, yet you have systematically rejected my own efforts to redirect your approach, characterising me, amongst other things, as a child, and not bright enough to understand your theories.
Is that smart?

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

You seem to understand the principle of tempering steel in fire, yet you have systematically rejected my own efforts to redirect your approach, characterising me, amongst other things, as a child, and not bright enough to understand your theories.
Is that smart?

Eclogite, if I have misunderstood your attempt to be constructive I regret that. My personal feelings are of no account in this matter. If you are truly interested in helping, most of my research and reasons for same, are documented in my book. That is the only way you will get a comprehensiove over-view of what Psyche-Genetics is all about. Without that we will continue to be talking at cross-purposes. If you cannot afford the twenty two bucks to get a copy from AuthorHouse, I will gladly mail you one.

[Strictly_Platonic]

Well, a lot has happened since I posted. It seems I’ve missed all the fun.
I got some things to answer. I’ll go down the list. First off, Boerseun.

And kids, hate telling this to you, but the 'Tokalosh' is actually spelt 'Tokolosh', or if you're a bona fide zulu, iTokolosh

Dude, you’re not listening to me. I told you I couldn’t spell.

Tokolosh is an evil spirit. Black superstitious people in South Africa actually raise their beds off the floors on paint cans, bricks, anything they can to make it hard for the Tokolosh to hide there undetected. So that's your Karma, then. Interesting. But scary, nonetheless.

He’s a naughty imp in the service of god. He’s here to let us know when we’ve done wrong, and by knowing you’ve done wrong, you can correct your behavior. Cause and Effect. White kids also believe that a Tokolosh lives in their closet or under their bed. Another way of spelling Tokolosh is the boogeyman, leprechaun etc. But I find it interesting that a scientist is trying to teach us about metaphysics when he says its…..

utter bullshit

So, if this is the way you think of metaphysics, how and why are you trying to teach it to me? As to this:

I also read in your dad's post that you kids have had ESP training. I have asked your dad for links or resources towards that, but up till now I have heard nothing. ESP (and related bullshit like telekinesis) have been repeatedly blown out of the water by that evildoer, the "SCIENTIFIC METHOD". It falls under pseudoscience.

And yet the belief still persists. Just so you know, we (my siblings and myself) would get six out of six questions right quite often. How do you explain that?

Karmas and spiritual things have nothing to do with science, and shouldn't be on a science forum.

Isn’t this the board where you post things about theology???

But enough of this now. I used to duke it out often with one of my brothers and the immaturity was rather astounding looking back at it now. But we left these schoolyard tactics behind back in our illiterate skinhead stage.

As to you, eclogite, truly I did not mean to leave you out on the fun. But just as an observation, my grandma (who’s nearly eighty) has had three strokes and bed-ridden, can scare me. Receive a tongue-lashing from her and within five minutes you’re running with your tail between your legs so to speak. So I shan’t underestimate you.

Zythryn, thank you for your more positive post, it was a welcome relief. As to titles of our books, nothing has been published or posted anywhere.
We didn't write them to publish them though, merely for our own enjoyment. But if you're interested, I'd be glad to send you a little excerpt.

Anyhow, I think I’m done for now.

[soulatom]

Hey, I’ve been gone for awhile. But upon returning to this thread, am quite shocked and dismayed to see the degeneration of politeness and manners by some of the key members in regards to personal attacks.

Just by definition, I cannot understand the objection to unscientific data and discussion:

Theology
the•ol•o•gy [thee ólləjee]
(plural the•ol•o•gies)
n

The study of religion, culminating in the synthesis or philosophy of religion

[14th century. Via French and Latin from Greek theologia , literally “study of divine things.”]

As to the arrogance of a particular member… “The only thing that casts doubt on the miracles of Jesus is that they were all witnessed by fishermen” Wow, this to me figures as quite an arrogant statement in itself. Are fishermen of some neanderthal intelligence or culture? I mean, come on man, I like sushi.

[ughaibu]

Study of religion is quite different from pushing Jonestown-type cults.

[MoonBaby]

Originally Posted by ughaibu

Study of religion is quite different from pushing Jonestown-type cults.

Skinhead, compound, Jonestown, cult, eliltist, nutjobs, bullshit

All of these derogatory terms have been thrown at our family so far. But as we have jewish, arab, and negro blood somewhere in us, why not add yid, wop and nigger to these "scientific" charactarizations? One would think we are still in the Middle Ages. We're still waiting to be burned at the stake.

Could anyone please provide me with scientific data that might support the use of those terms regarding people, a family, of which you know zero about? Or do those terms come under religious study? Could you please explain to me how personal attacks and groundless disgusting insults further either scientific or religious study? Does it not occur to you as you type these things how disgracful they are?

This is the reason metaphysics needs to be included in an educational curriculum. For it teaches ethics, common decency, and brotherly love which, clearly, too many scientists in this forum seem to be sadly lacking.

Originally Posted by Boerseun

MagnetMan is failing miserably to actively and productively contribute anything at all without pimping his wares, and that to me is a transgression of Hypo's rules. Me calling him a nut is another transgression of Hypo's rules. I'll live with the consequences, and will not apologize.

So, which rule is worse to transgress upon? What you perceive to be "pimping ones wares"... or to what is generally acknowledged and simultaneously disregarded, by yourself included, as a personal attack. (Not to mention the other blatant offense of the policy, made by you) Who is to judge? Doesn't this come under the heading of taking the law into ones own hands? Or maybe it falls in the category of selling ones soul. In my book it is simply hypocrytical... giving life to a contridiction and a double standard. Well done.

[Strictly_Platonic]

Originally Posted by ughaibu

Study of religion is quite different from pushing Jonestown-type cults.

Seeing as we're all still alive I'm not seeing the comparison.

Originally Posted by Strictly_Platonic

But if you're interested, I'd be glad to send you a little excerpt.

Is this considered pimping my wares?