[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

It is your own theory?

Very good then MM, perhaps you can enlighten us then.

A theory comes from a hypothesis which is formed from observations. After the hypothesis is formed, it is tested. If it passes the tests it is then a theory.

I am curious about your theory and what tests have been performed to substantiate it. Also, what test results would be required to disprove it?

On the flip side, you could win a Nobel prize if you would publish the test results which disproved natural selection.

Or, is it possible this is all speculative opinion and not actually a theory (in which case you would have none of the above as it is not needed for an opinion).

Thanks for your time,
Mark

Natural selection only reveals the physiological advantages of environmental adaptation. It does not deal with the inspirational quantum leaps that result from each mass change of consciousness, especially in relation to the supernatural acceleration of human consciousess.

After studying animal behavior (ethology) I invested a further thirty years in the field making detailed observations on each of the foundational stages of the evolution of human consciousness. Much of my studies have been documented on camera and broadcast on television programs world wide. Tens of millions have seen these programs since 1966, with never a word of disgreement. (A moving picture replaces ten thousand words)

My discoveries and conclusions are published in a book entitled; Psyche-Genetics. It concludes that the current state of the mass consciousness is on the eve of graduating beyond a teenage mentality of scientific determinsm and rebellious religious protest and is entering a Nuclear Age mindset that presages our first stage of young adulthood. It preducts two further stages of human evolution, into stages of Mastership and Sagehood, when our evolutionary cycle will end.

Many millions of New Agers are already plugged into the sober responsibilities of enviromental clean-up and looking ahead into the complex challenges planet management. The ethic of this 5th paradigm shift of consciousness, is that of egalitarian global stewardship and not the immaturity of materialistic competitions.

Psyche-Genetics, even in its draft form, is a seminal work that represents an entirely new appreaciation of the dual nature of the social and spiritual evolution of human consciousness. It is the only theory that explains the meaning and purpose of our existence from both a physiological as well as a metaphysical perspective. It takes us from our Stone Age animistic infancy to a future state of transcendental Cosmic sagehood - revealing each logical sequential step of the way forward.

Its spiritual revelation is based on the metaphsyical potentials inherent within the nuclear equation. Since consciousness exists, it must be a fundamental attribute of atomic radiation.

If there is to be a Nobel, I am afraid it will have to be post-humus - the date calculated by simply tabulating the time I am presently spending in just getting the current teen-age mindset to let go of an indoctrinated mindset, and be more reverential towards ancestral developmental stages - and, via that hindsight, take a clearer peek at what lies down the road.

[Eclogite]

I think there may be two reasons you are not getting your message across:

1. Too many big words irrelevantly and irrationaly applied. (You are correct: I should heed my own advice. MM, you are waffling.)

2. The message is wrong.

I think it is probably a mixture of both and would be happy to justify my position on either or both points if you wish.

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

I think there may be two reasons you are not getting your message across:

1. Too many big words irrelevantly and irrationaly applied. (You are correct: I should heed my own advice. MM, you are waffling.)

2. The message is wrong.

I think it is probably a mixture of both and would be happy to justify my position on either or both points if you wish.

Please go ahead

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Natural selection only reveals the physiological advantages of environmental adaptation. [/img]

This simply makes no sense to me. Natural selection is the primary mechanism by which environmental adaptation is acheived. It simply is meaningless to say the that the mechanism that leads to the state of environmental adaptation only reveals the advantages of this adaptation. The semantic content of this sentence appears to be zero.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

It does not deal with the inspirational quantum leaps that result from each mass change of consciousness, especially in relation to the supernatural acceleration of human consciousess.

A case of adjectival diahorea surely. Quantum leaps is horribly cliched. Calling them inspirational adds nothing except a veneer of plausibility. What is an inspirational quantum leap? How would I recognise one? Have they been documented?

If these are real events, recgonised by conventional science or history, then why not use the terminology that is common usage. If they are events of your own perception, then at least give them some kind of reality for your reader through one or more examples.

On what basis do you describe the acceleration of human consciousness as supernatural? What is your evidence? While we are at it, how the heck does consciousness accelerate? Isn't it in danger, should it accelerate to fast, of leaving my braincase alltogether?

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

After studying animal behavior (ethology)

A bracketed item such as this should be used to explain to the reader an unfamiliar word. Thus After studying ethology (animal behavior) would have been appropriate. The reverse format is often employed by those wishing to advertise their education in a patronising fashion. I am sure this was not your intention, but it is so easy for a reader to misinterpret motives. The mindset this creates in the reader can then cloud the underlying message.

Tens of millions have seen these programs since 1966, with never a word of disgreement.

Come on MM. I am still laughing at this one a full twenty four hours later. Get real.

It concludes that the current state of the mass consciousness is on the eve of graduating beyond a teenage mentality of scientific determinsm and rebellious religious protest and is entering a Nuclear Age mindset that presages our first stage of young adulthood.

You do like your patronising little put downs, don't you? I am an arrogant, self opionated elitist, but I don't think I'm in the same league as you when it comes to that all embracing certainty that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Is it a comforting feeling?

And just what is rebellious religious protest? This reads like gobbledygook. You string together two concepts - science and relgion - that many perceive to be mutually antagonistic, then set them in juxtaposition. You heighten the tension by emphasising the deterministic nature of science, and for no apparent reason or justification, characterise religion as rebellious! This gives the appearance of someone stringing together phrases that will resonate with his audience at a gut level, whilst having a different, or even null meaning, within the context of the writing. Again, semantic content seemingly zero.

Do I have to go on?

[Zythryn]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

...
After studying animal behavior (ethology) I invested a further thirty years in the field making detailed observations on each of the foundational stages of the evolution of human consciousness. ...

This is extraneous information, I asked you what observations those where, not what your background is.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

My discoveries and conclusions are published in a book entitled; Psyche-Genetics. It concludes that the current state of the mass consciousness is on the eve of graduating beyond a teenage mentality of scientific determinsm and rebellious religious protest and is entering a Nuclear Age mindset that presages our first stage of young adulthood. It preducts two further stages of human evolution, into stages of Mastership and Sagehood, when our evolutionary cycle will end.

Conclusions are wonderful, but again, what observations are these conclusions based on?? If you have a film full of them, just give us the most clear and concise two or three.

From your conclusion, it sounds more like a sociological hypothesis that one governing any sort of UIDE unless you have observations that indicate a guiding force. This specifically would be wonderful to see evidence for, so perhaps you could give us one or two examples of this?

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Many millions of New Agers are already plugged into the sober responsibilities of enviromental clean-up and looking ahead into the complex challenges planet management. The ethic of this 5th paradigm shift of consciousness, is that of egalitarian global stewardship and not the immaturity of materialistic competitions.

Again, totally off base, I requested observations and how you tested the hypothesis. This seems unconnected until there is some foundation.

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Psyche-Genetics, even in its draft form, is a seminal work that represents an entirely new appreaciation of the dual nature of the social and spiritual evolution of human consciousness. It is the only theory...

I have seen no tests done to support the hypothesis. Again, very interesting hypothesis, but no indication that the hypothesis has been tested. Can it be tested? If not, this is a religious work, which is fine, just stop calling it a theory in a scientific forum please

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Its spiritual revelation is based on the metaphsyical potentials inherent within the nuclear equation. Since consciousness exists, it must be a fundamental attribute of atomic radiation.

I have no clue what you mean by this. Does your film/documentation have a glossary? If it does, could you copy the parts that define these terms?

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

If there is to be a Nobel, I am afraid it will have to be post-humus - the date calculated by simply tabulating the time I am presently spending in just getting the current teen-age mindset to let go of an indoctrinated mindset...

You don't need to convince/prove your hypothesis to anyone to win the Nobel prize. All you need to do is show a test that disproves natural selection.
Part of your issue here is what you call the 'indoctrinated mindset' (if you are referring to evolution as currently understood) is that it has been tested repeatedly. It also has made predictions which hold up to new discoveries. If you can be concise, and give us a test for your hypothesis, it very well may become a theory

Mark

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Conclusions are wonderful, but again, what observations are these conclusions based on?? If you have a film full of them, just give us the most clear and concise two or three.

As i said, I have a published book full of precise observations. (500 pages) Rewriting it here for your erudtion would be too tedious. But I will give you some examples:

I tested Stone Age family values and came to the conclusion that our ancestors were not the self-centered club-weilding brutes that bashed out each others brains. One morning I gave a small piece of candy to a Bushman boy, aged about 12. The rest of the family were out for the day, hunting and gathering. He kept the candy until all returned and it was divided into twenty five pieces. All got a tiny taste of it. I realized that only through a shared experience can life be qualified.(If a tree falls and no one sees it ....) Meticulous sharing is what allowed our specie to triump and forms the foundation of our intelligence.

Taking the lesson to heart from the Bushman family, which had revealed the foundation of human intelligence, I consequently invested the first seven years of the lives of each of my eight children on evoking their imprinted sharing ethic. I kept them out of school and ignored the State injunction to indoctrinate them with script and arithmatic. Instead I evoked their intuitive sense of superstition and told them that a Tokaloshe ( impish spirit) kept constant vigil over all their thoughts and actions - that all selfish and destructive behavior would be instantly punished by Mother Nature. The endless synchrony of cuts, bruises, pricks, bites, scratches (and two broken bones) that they suffered, which they gradually came to realize where unfailingly related to deviant behavior, ended up with the net result that by age seven I had eight self-policed sharing and caring children, intellectually and spiritually alert and eager to learn their next lesson in life.

Taking another lesson to heart, this time from Bronze Age clan group values in which a chore-based work ethic was essential for survival. I realized that this was the second foundation upon which human intellegence rests. Without concentrated focus on any effort, no matter how tedius, science itself could never evolve. So once again I ignored the State injunction to indioctrinate script and maths (I was told that I would end up with iliterate idiots) and for the next seven years I concentrated on instilling a chore-based work ethic in my kids. I made them do yoga excercises and meditation. They also practiced right brain ESP drills (and produced telepathic scores that confound mathematical odds by tens of thousands to one!)
At puberty I shaved their heads and successively sent them to live alone in the mountains for a few days.

Not long after each initiation, each on their own initiative took up first grade reading books and taught themselves to read. To cut a long story short, four of the eight have passed their GED exams in the top 10 percentile and the other three ( one has Downs Syndrome) are well on their way to getting the same top marks. Not only are they intellectually bright, but they are also spiritually reverential, scrupuously honest and deeply caring and a sheer deilght to their parents. All want to be global stewards.

All eight validate every step of the Psyche-Genetic hypothesis and their test sores in physics and metaphsyics are freely available for any further studies any interested party might wish to conduct.

The future social implications of the foregoing, in respect to the billions of dollars we currently invest in child education with such mediocre intellectual and ethical results, not including the vast sums spent on law inforcement and endless bureaucratic oversight are beyond calculation.

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

I tested Stone Age family values and came to the conclusion that our ancestors were not the self-centered club-weilding brutes that bashed out each others brains.

Why in the name of Newton would you ever have entertained such an outlandish thought? Were you completely unschooled in neo-Darwinism, sociology, anthropology, biology or just plain old common sense?

The rest of your post evokes a wave of gratitude to my own parents who did not subject me to any bizarre rituals. [By the way, don't you still owe me your definition of metaphysics?]

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

Why in the name of Newton would you ever have entertained such an outlandish thought? Were you completely unschooled in neo-Darwinism, sociology, anthropology, biology or just plain old common sense?

The rest of your post evokes a wave of gratitude to my own parents who did not subject me to any bizarre rituals. [By the way, don't you still owe me your definition of metaphysics?]

As always Ecolite, you latch onto the first straw you can grab to refute the intelligence all and sundry (is there anybody you don't fight with?) You are quoting a generalization that was simply thrown in to refute the conventional (unscientific) view of our brutish beginnings. (In 1966 when I made my study) The subtle nature of the profound insight into the ground of human intelligence that I received from of the Stone Age experiment that was also described in that same paragraph was obviously missed entirely by you. My definition of metapjysics is even more subtle, and I fear, far beyond your comprehension..

[Zythryn]

MM, thank you for the observations.

These seem to be based not on facts, but on your perception of society.

Many would question you about where you got the idea:
"...that our ancestors were not the self-centered club-weilding brutes that bashed out each others brains."

From what I recall in school, neaderthals, while primitive, were hunter/gatherers which did share in the spoils of the hunt as well as the gathering. A high level of cooperation would allow a 'clan' to prosper more so than a poor level of cooperation.

However, having said that, I understand your hypothesis about human developement. How do these observations support the theory? Does your hypothesis allow you to make any predictions on an individual level? Or any tests that would support it?

I think it needs to be more than just 'someone told me something about primative human cultures that was not correct'.

Mark

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

MM, thank you for the observations.

These seem to be based not on facts, but on your perception of society.

Many would question you about where you got the idea:
"...that our ancestors were not the self-centered club-weilding brutes that bashed out each others brains."

In 1966 when i made my first visit to the Boscopiods in the Kalahari, the view that humans had a murderous ancestry ( highly publized in the Sci Fi Movie 2001) was conventionally accepted.

From what I recall in school, neaderthals, while primitive, were hunter/gatherers which did share in the spoils of the hunt as well as the gathering. A high level of cooperation would allow a 'clan' to prosper more so than a poor level of cooperation.

The rest of the paragraph explained just how meticulious the cooperation really was.

However, having said that, I understand your hypothesis about human developement. How do these observations support the theory? Does your hypothesis allow you to make any predictions on an individual level? Or any tests that would support it?

Individual development is intrinsically linked to collective development. The individual reflects more or less the same level of self-awareness as the society he or she is reared in. In order to move ahead of the herd, and gain a broader persepctive of the current consensus on what constitutes reality, an individual has to cut him or herself off entirely for an extended period and wean both the mind and emotions from the close connection. ( I spent a year on a Zen monastery in Japan, and another 9 months living alone in a cave on an island in the Gulf of Siam. I knew a lama who was ritually entombed in a cave for three years. Innumerable hermits and sages live in the high Himalayas and have done so for millennia.) This isolation, after months of inner struggle, eventually forces the psyche to let go of all indoctrinational input and social ambitions and gradually feel marvelously free. This freedom allows for clear insight into the self and one's society and the direction both are going in. One of its advanatages is that it instills a deep sense of affection for mankind in general and the long road to self awareness that we are trodding along. This over-view is virtually unattainable while caught up in the rat race.

I think it needs to be more than just 'someone told me something about primative human cultures that was not correct'.Mark

There should be no problem in testing this radical alteration in individual consciousness. Try it on yourself.