[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

I am, by NO means, a believer... but, much of the problem is that we struggle to understand something outside of a purely human context. What is a "creator" to an octopus, or a bacterium, or a rock? So many people see "God" as some guy with 2 arms, two legs, and a brain. Maybe it's just a statistical likelihood (or the opposite of likely)...

There's my "only even prime number" of cents...

Thank you for your interest in (UIDE)

What I now understand about this life of mine and yours, on Earth, is what so many beings already know; however, for some reason or another, they still follow the religious historical explanation of the reason we are here.

We are the Universe’s children. The (UIDE) Universe’s Intelligent Design of Evolution, directs man’s hands through man's brain and environments. Man in turn, with a partnership with all the other earth species; continues his vast building progress; maybe, even into outer space—but believe you me -- man is being helped (directed) -- but from where? *

The Earth is a living organism, and, the Universe, is forever directing mother Earth's evolution. We humans are part of the ecosystem. We are its local brains, its consciousness (ID). We direct the building (by evolution and interconnection of earth's telecommunications and we in turn, are directed by UIDE.

Most human kind will never stop believing, within their minds and hearts, that they are not god’s people. They will choose to follow the historical partial untruths taught by all the worlds’ religions and universities etc. Earth beings are not permitted by society to believe otherwise, even though some know better! They remain silent for fear of ostracism; however, we are the Universe's children.*

[Eclogite]

You presented a very detailed response to Zythryn when he asked for evidence for your speculation. This response consisted of a recap of an experiment you conducted several decades ago. The experiment demonstrated the well understood fact that many features of the Universe are scale independent. This was an interesting observation, but in no way constituted evidence of anything. (Other than a pleasing confirmation of what many have observed before and since.)

At each request for evidence you have responded with analogy, bland statements, and unfounded supposition. As presented, your conjecture has no basis in reality, no supporting evidence, and offers no improvement over conventional ideas for explaining the Universe. It it pseudo-science and poor philosophy.

Thank you for the opportunity to engage in this brief discussion of your ideas, but I shall now withdraw from that discussion to avoid infringing forum guidelines concerning personal attacks.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

We are the Universe’s children.

This statement implies that we are somehow seperate from the Universe. Not so.

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

Most human kind will never stop believing, within their minds and hearts, that they are not god’s people.

Interesting statement, but can you support this, or are you speaking from the perspective of your own personal opinion?

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

Earth beings are not permitted by society to believe otherwise, even though some know better!

Has some new international law been passed which has escaped my attention? Permitted by what/whom?


Maybe you can help me with a paradox. If I invent a time machine, go back in time and shoot the universe in the face, will I instantly cease to exist or will some cosmic censorship principle cause the gun to jam?

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

This statement implies that we are somehow seperate from the Universe. Not so.
We are the Universes Children!


Interesting statement, but can you support this, or are you speaking from the perspective of your own personal opinion?



Has some new international law been passed which has escaped my attention? Permitted by what/whom?


Maybe you can help me with a paradox. If I invent a time machine, go back in time and shoot the universe in the face, will I instantly cease to exist or will some cosmic censorship principle cause the gun to jam?

Well this is an easy one to answer: There will never be a time machine built that can go back in the Universe's history! So the paradox is not really there.

[InfiniteNow]

First, support the statement "There will never be a time machine built that can go back in the Universe's history!"

Apparently, you've built one that allows you to go into the future and see this. How neato.

Second, since you offered zero evidence, it seems this is personal opinion being shared.

Last, who or what is not permitting the creatures of Earth to believe what they want?


Thanks.

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

You presented a very detailed response to Zythryn when he asked for evidence for your speculation. This response consisted of a recap of an experiment you conducted several decades ago. The experiment demonstrated the well understood fact that many features of the Universe are scale independent. This was an interesting observation, but in no way constituted evidence of anything. (Other than a pleasing confirmation of what many have observed before and since.)

At each request for evidence you have responded with analogy, bland statements, and unfounded supposition. As presented, your conjecture has no basis in reality, no supporting evidence, and offers no improvement over conventional ideas for explaining the Universe. It it pseudo-science and poor philosophy.

Thank you for the opportunity to engage in this brief discussion of your ideas, but I shall now withdraw from that discussion to avoid infringing forum guidelines concerning personal attacks.

It amazes me how men will turn on new ideas and then because they are of another belief they attact the person news ideas with, "no supporting evidence".

Just how (pray tell) is any man on earth able to give supporting evidence about this vast Universe,when he can hardly leave this small planet that we live on. We all know that my UIDE is a theory based on anology. What else do we have to go on?

The Universe's Intelligence (as a living organism) is behind its own Design and Evolution. And the Earth and its species (including man ) is a living organism Call it what you want!

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

It amazes me how men will turn on new ideas and then because they are of another belief they attack the person's new ideas with, "no supporting evidence".

So, you want me to be gullible and naive and accept whatever you tell me is so, just because you say it is? Is that sensible? Is that intelligent?
This is a science forum. Science works through observation, analysis, hypothesis formation, testing, modification of hypothesis, further testing, and so on.
Evidence is essential.

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

Just how (pray tell) is any man on earth able to give supporting evidence about this vast Universe,when he can hardly leave this small planet that we live on.

There is a wealth of information available on this planet. There was enough for Aristotle and Hooke and Newton and Faraday and Darwin and Maxwell and Bohr and Einstein and Crick and ten thousand others, to formulate, demonstrate and validate great ideas.
If you lack the ability to understand this, perhaps you lack the ability to formulate great ideas.

We all know that my UIDE is a theory based on anology.

You don't have a theory, you have an idle speculation. Without an ounce of supporting evidence it is wholly worthless as anything other than a trivial plaything.

[InfiniteNow]

also, theories provide testable predictions.

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

So, you want me to be gullible and naive and accept whatever you tell me is so, just because you say it is? Is that sensible? Is that intelligent?
This is a science forum. Science works through observation, analysis, hypothesis formation, testing, modification of hypothesis, further testing, and so on.
Evidence is essential.
There is a wealth of information available on this planet. There was enough for Aristotle and Hooke and Newton and Faraday and Darwin and Maxwell and Bohr and Einstein and Crick and ten thousand others, to formulate, demonstrate and validate great ideas.
If you lack the ability to understand this, perhaps you lack the ability to formulate great ideas.
You don't have a theory, you have an idle speculation. Without an ounce of supporting evidence it is wholly worthless as anything other than a trivial plaything.

Thank you for you open mind. As I read other scientific threads this week, I see there are men (women) that are open for discussion, of new ideas about the Universe, with out consideration. Translated for you: taking into account, the ideas, before forming an opinion

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

Thank you for you open mind. As I read other scientific threads this week, I see there are men (women) that are open for discussion, of new ideas about the Universe, with out consideration. Translated for you: taking into account, the ideas, before forming an opinion

FRIPRO, I have taken your idea into account. I have examined it. I have found it wanting in every respect.
What should cause me to continue to further consider this idea, when there is nothing to support its validity? It lacks originality. It is poorly expressed. It offers no way of testing it. It appears to have no consequences, no discernible benefit. The best you could do with it is work it into a science fiction story.

An open mind is a good thing, but it should not be so open your brains fall out.