Universe's Intelligent Design by Evolution (UIDE)©

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

Do you have any evidence, or is it all supposition?

Also, how did the original intelligence arise?
You say, I think, it has always been there. You also say evolution has a direction of increasing complexity.
Therefore, the brain has had an eternity to work evolution towards its ultimate goal. How come we aren't there yet.

It was alway there!

There is no ultimat goal. We are here now
First, we must look at the basic construction of the Universe and how it functions as our scientist an historians pictured it. Current thinking (though possibly wrong) say that the Universe started with the Big Bang about 13 billion light year ago, give or take a few billion light years. This is wrong! Earthmen invented this theory (along with hundreds of others) to justify their own existence and origin. Man cannot fathom the fact that there is no beginning or end, to the Universe! He keeps looking for the beginning to prove why he is here.* Finding a beginning to the Universe, man then needed a creator! So, did he invent one?
The world’s science academies, religions, and universities continue to teach the “Big Bang” falsehood of creation! How can one create such a vast Universe out of nothing? What happen to man's god? Where was he/she/it before the "Big Bang"? The "Big Bang" may be just a local "Bang" in our section of the Universe.Here is another premise that is false: the Universe will end. Not so as* law number one states: Universe always was and always will be.

[Eclogite]

So, you don't have any evidence for your speculation. That's fine, as long as you recognise, that without evidence, there is no reason for anyone to accept your conjecture. One might as well believe that the Universe was created nine seconds ago, along with all our memories of a much longer existence. [Go ahead, prove that one isn't so.]

A light year is a distance, not a time. [You might want to watch out for that sort of factual slip, it detracts from your credibility.]

You state that men invented the Big Bang theory to justiy their own existence. What is your evidence for this claim? With even a cursory knowledge of the emergence of Big Bang theory we can see very clearly it had nothing to do with that.

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

So, you don't have any evidence for your speculation. That's fine, as long as you recognise, that without evidence, there is no reason for anyone to accept your conjecture. One might as well believe that the Universe was created nine seconds ago, along with all our memories of a much longer existence. [Go ahead, prove that one isn't so.]

A light year is a distance, not a time. [You might want to watch out for that sort of factual slip, it detracts from your credibility.]

You state that men invented the Big Bang theory to justiy their own existence. What is your evidence for this claim? With even a cursory knowledge of the emergence of Big Bang theory we can see very clearly it had nothing to do with that.

(Note: The fact that you are at least 21 years old proves beyond all doubt that the Universe is older then 9 seconds!

Thank you for you reply: How can any man have evidence on our little "grain of sand" on the earths beaches(as an anology) What is their evidence for the beginning of the Universe and who created it?



My theories are based on the various space probes, the Hubble telescope photos, the Einstine theories. in fact all of our scientific theories about the Universe are just that (includiong mine) As I am not permitted to give you references of my web site that has much of what you are asking me to prove. Of course FRIPRO is my access to the internet, it is up to you to find that . IT seems that you are able in this area.

Syndicated press columnist Paul Varnell, Aug. 21, 2005 said: "[Fundamentalists desperately want creationism and intelligent design to be true, because they fear that if evolution is true, then god did not create humans beings. Then they fear human life, including their individual lives, have no purpose whatsoever and there is no cosmic basis for their or anyone's morality. They believe the world will decay into lawlessness, violence and chaos." --. (Of course they have it wrong whoever they is? As intelligent design is not what they think it is, but rather the Universe’s means to direct the evolution of the Universe, and it various species. They believe that*god is the master of intelligent design! Why do they fear that god may not exist?) *

*I'm sure you've read, a federal judged ruled about (Dec. 15, 2005) that an updated version of "creationism," now called "intelligent design," could not be taught in the Dover School District as science. Social conservatives are, as you would expect, outraged by the decision. One well known conservative senator wrote a book in 2002 declaring that intelligent design "is a legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in science classes. Of course it is religion pure and simple.
"Since he has resigned from a Christian-rights organization which defended the school district that said intelligent design was a legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in science classes? The religious aspect of the human population on earth can not make such claims! They are just plain wrong. Intelligent design has nothing to do with creationism, as there was never a creation in the first place. Only we earthmen were created (evolved) but by whom?

It is time that we move to a new theory of the Universe and why we are here, and it would take a whole book to place this new concept that the Universe alway was, and always will be. The concept of (UIDE) Universe's Intelligent Design by Evolution and that it is the mind (ID)that direct the ecolution of everthing with in it. Including the Earth.

If the Earth and the Universe are intelligent minds (ID) capable of decision making, is that Artificial? No it is not, but we must differentiate between the religious view of Intelligent Design and Artificial Intelligent Design. In Webster's dictionary, Artificial means: "made by man not found in nature! And Intelligent means the capacity to perceive and comprehend meaning; information, the power of the mind to accept and understand." Therefore man is not the design source of the intelligence. The reason he is not is because what he creates is artificial.*Therefore he must be programmed or directed. This is accomplished by UIDE!*

Thanks for you consideration and your open mind to listen to new concepts. FRIPRO

[Zythryn]

Please let me know if these points about your supposition are correct.

1) There is no physical trace or evidence of the UIDE.

2) We do not and will not ever have the ability to detect this UIDE.

3) The UIDE directs our developement and behavior, however there is no way we can ascribe any rules or tendancy to mankinds behavior (or can we explain the lack of unity).

4) The universe has no beggining and no end.

5) We see evidence indicating there was a beggining of the universe.

Your reasoning seems based solely on analogy. This can seem very reasonable, however, there is no evidence I have seen presented, only analogy.

I appreciate the discussion, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Mark

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Please let me know if these points about your supposition are correct.

1) There is no physical trace or evidence of the UIDE.

2) We do not and will not ever have the ability to detect this UIDE.

3) The UIDE directs our developement and behavior, however there is no way we can ascribe any rules or tendancy to mankinds behavior (or can we explain the lack of unity).

4) The universe has no beggining and no end.

5) We see evidence indicating there was a beggining of the universe.

Your reasoning seems based solely on analogy. This can seem very reasonable, however, there is no evidence I have seen presented, only analogy.

I appreciate the discussion, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Mark

My I am suprised at all the coments and questions that I have received on UNIVERSE's INTELLIGENT DESIGN by EVOLUTION (UIDE)

1.Yes there is: don't forget Darwin.Also:Man here on earth is now building a network of interconnection of his species, that would never be imagine just 100 years ago. Neither could the historians who wrote most of what we believe or are taught; never had access to the scientific data we now have-- or did they?* If so, where did the data come from? Did man have help, if so from whom? I am sure it would occur to any man with common sense that man (and all the Earth's species are building a living organizism, that can communicate like a computer can (said computer with artificial intelligence)

2. We can as:the Earth evolving into a fantastic inter-connected brain, and we humans merely it’s brain’s synapses -- its builders. The trend is so obvious. If one observed the continued building of fantastic connections, in our telephone and electric wires, strung everywhere on earth. Further including radio, TV, video cables, Internet, air travel, cell phones, pad cells, personal television, photography, robots, satelite systems and highway systems not to speak of this internet we are now sharing information on! Certainly this is a demonstration, on a giant scale, of evolution through (UIDE).The Universe may not be called god, although god Like, call it what you may!

3.Man is learning to lean on one another, to advance progress with out enslavement of his brothers. Yet there lies powerful religious terrorists networks that are willing (for what ever reason) to take earthmen back to the dark ages. Only a few visionary thinkers down through history have open minds, and do not accept the status quote. Remember More wars have been fought over whose religion and god or gods speak the truth. For example the Catholic Church finely forgave Galileo, just a few years ago, for his heretic belief, that the Earth traveled about the sun. ! * Will they forgive me?

4.The fact the Universe is here is enough proof that it alway was! One can not create something out of nothing! Whether it will alway be is the question we can not answer;however, if it is here and always was -- then logic say it will always be. (Where would the parts go if the Universe would end?)

5. The evidence we see through our satilites and telescopes can give the impression that the Universe had a beginning;however, What is most important is that fact that mass, waves and gravity are interactive, and if the Universe were not expanding into infinite nothing, the gravitational Equivalence Principal could not exist!*One might even postulate that if the Universe is falling (expanding) into a free nothing. This 'fall rate' is the same in every body with in it's sphere. This could be the Equivalence Principle, namely "all bodies fall with the same acceleration. (free fall) everywhere and men do not know why!

Einstein introduced a 'fudge factor' that ensured a 'steady state' Universe, one that had no beginning or end. He then changed his mind and agreed with the “Big Bang" theory! He called his 'Steady State Universe with out end', the “Greatest Blunder he ever made.” (I Believe Einstein should have stayed with his original premise!) *I supose this is the great argument!

One final thought: If Einstein had not recanted his “ether theory”, later in his life, he may have solved his greatest goal, his “Unified theory of the Universe”. *

Is it possible that man's brain currently (is not designed to calculate advance designs of the Universe) thus not allowing him to know and understand the Universe? Is this why so may great men of science, constantly change their many theories. Is it why scientists do not agree even among themselves, on any Universal Theory. Is this why we have so many crack-pot theories even among the most respected men? Do they even look at my theories expressed in this bog, as a crack pot? Will they express among themselves, he doesn't know what he is talking about, because the design of their brains, can not fathom the possible truth-- even when they see it! Perhaps man can only fathom what he is programed to believe. Who then is the programer (UIDE)?

[InfiniteNow]

I am, by NO means, a believer... but, much of the problem is that we struggle to understand something outside of a purely human context. What is a "creator" to an octopus, or a bacterium, or a rock? So many people see "God" as some guy with 2 arms, two legs, and a brain. Maybe it's just a statistical likelihood (or the opposite of likely)...

There's my "only even prime number" of cents...

[Zythryn]

Originally Posted by FRIPRO

1.Yes there is: don't forget Darwin.Also:Man here on earth is now building a network of interconnection of his species, that would never be imagine just 100 years ago. Neither could the historians who wrote most of what we believe or are taught; never had access to the scientific data we now have-- or did they?* If so, where did the data come from? Did man have help, if so from whom? I am sure it would occur to any man with common sense that man (and all the Earth's species are building a living organizism, that can communicate like a computer can (said computer with artificial intelligence)

Let's try to focus on number one to start with.

You state "Yes there is [physical evidence]". However, you then offer an anology based on the complexity of life on earth.
Could you tell me what physical evidence we can measure that supports this concept? Or can you think of a test we could make to prove/disprove this hypothesis?

Thanks,
Mark

[FRIPRO]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Let's try to focus on number one to start with.

You state "Yes there is [physical evidence]". However, you then offer an anology based on the complexity of life on earth.
Could you tell me what physical evidence we can measure that supports this concept? Or can you think of a test we could make to prove/disprove this hypothesis?

Thanks,
Mark

Yes Mark I have conducted the following ‘Universe like’ swimming pool experiments, in about 1965. In my large swimming pool, I introduced a high pressure jet of water (narrow energy beam like streams of water) directed under pressure into the calm pool of water, that produced moving vortexes of various size, both right rotation and left rotation. When I viewed the turbulence in the pool of water, it remind me of a model Universe!

I watched a perfectly calm surface of the water, and prepared cameras etc. that recorded the experiments. When the jet of water was turned on and directed across the pool (just under the surface about six inches) I noticed that there were right and left vortexes generated. Some were well defined and others were turbulent. These vortex of various sizes, were moving along the right and left side of the water jet.*The track of these vortexs were seen due to the sun light projection on the pools bottom.

When sun light illuminates above the surface of the water, there is a round black shadow produced, below the targeted vortex, on the white bottom of the pool of water. This display projected on the bottom of the white pool displayed a moving spinning shadow that followed the vortex (on both the right and left sides of the water jet).

The black round projection on the bottom of the pool showed that the central vortex that spins does not transmit light. Could this be so true in a galaxy's central vortex or sometimes referred to as a back hole? I call this, " Vortex, Light Wave Block" (VLB).*

Is the spinning vortex, in the ether sea of the Universe, displaying the same analogy? You could watch the shadows on the bottom of the pool, with the turbulences forming a whole Universe like model. If you looked at the vortexes, the right vortexes were rotating clockwise and on the left side of the water jet direction, they were rotating counter clockwise. You could watch the a perfectly round black circles (of many diameters) on the bottom of the pool move along the jet. These vortexes could be tracked in perfect formation ( with respect to others) all moving in the same direction.

When they hit the wall of the pool the vortex shadows on the bottom bounced like the were mass. I observed the phenomena on both side of the jet. Also vortex of all different sizes were generated. Some areas were very turbulent and ill defined. Some vortexes merged with others that over took them and became larger but still maintaining their vortex shape.

Watching this scenario for hours showed that the model being displayed; indeed acted like the generation of hurricanes off the west coast of Africa, as they move towards the US mainland. In fact these hurricanes developed, and the water pool experiment observations, represented to me a model Universe, that I have been describing.

It certainly makes sense to me that if we had a perfectly tranquil wit particle (the ether sea of the Universe) in a calm section of a tranquil Universe and a powerful plasma jet emitted from some exploding star etc. It would cause similar formation of vortexes like galaxies created in the same manner as vortexes in the swimming pool experiments.. When one looks at the hurricanes in the earths atmosphere from space satellites, an the swimming pool experiments with ones eye, we can see a model that represents what is happing in the Universe!* As shown in Hubble's telescope.

There is a test that can prove the existance of an ether I have given the ether particle mass (m =kf*) = 7.371963x 10- 48* g-sec.**the name "Wit": (a "Wit" is 7.371963x 10-48* grams. At a frequency in space of one sec.) With a mass of kf*. Webster’s dictionary definition for "Wit" is the limit of one's mental resources; also,*at (one's) wits' end. Further translated the Wit particle is: that which is the smallest mass particle one can imagine or measure it has no duality! *

The Universe ether sea consist of wit particles that has been derived from Planck and Einsteine (DeBorlie mass wave theory 1924] This sea can be measured and tested by Cherenkov radiation. On the Fermilab Web Site on Cerenkov Light is a video clip that demonstrates wave action in 2 and 3 dimensional media (which may also be utilized to understand the electromagnetic mass-wave action in the ether (Aether) Newton's SEA of the Universe)

I believe, the possible use of Cerenkov radiation to detect the existence of the WIT particle ether in interstellar space. This will then confirm that Galaxies in space are no different them Huricanes and vortexes as described above.

[Four Dogs]

Is this THE intelligent design they're trying to teach in our childrens science classes? It all sounds very sceintific to me. I guess a little peer reviewed data would help, but I'm sold.

[FRIPRO]

[QUOTE=Four Dogs]Is this THE intelligent design they're trying to teach in our childrens science classes? It all sounds very sceintific to me. I guess a little peer reviewed data would help, but I'm sold.[/QU

Thank you for you interest .(No it is not, in fact it is just the opposit)

To answer your question -- If the Earth and the Universe are intelligent minds (ID) capable of decision making, is that Artificial? No it is not, but we must differentiate between the religious view of Intelligent Design and Artificial Intelligent Design.

In Webster's dictionary, Artificial means: "made by man not found in nature! And Intelligent means the capacity to perceive and comprehend meaning; information, the power of the mind to accept and understand." Therefore man is not the design source of the intelligence. The reason he is not is because what he creates is artificial.*Therefore he must be programmed or directed. This is accomplished by UIDE!*Universe's Intelligent Design by Evolution

Man is insulted, He believes he is a visionary thinker. Very few are! Most earthmen believe they are capable of generating intelligent design. Yes they can; however, it is artificial. Any advancement in evolution (by earthmen of any theorem or practical applications, of new ideas advancing the technology of the earth, is directed by UIDE! Man in his numbers can build anything. Alone he can only think and toil, soon to fail- except for a few who seem to excel --why?*

It really means the Universe's Intelligence (as a living organism) is behind its own Design and Evolution. It is man's source of design intent. It is man and other species hands etc. that carry out the evolution through the Universe's evolving plan. Such a plan pre-designed by a living Intelligent mind or minds. This is not religious but science!

John Nash, in a very late book he is about to publish, said, " the Worlds greatest problem for survival, is the very dangerous and illusional religious Ideologies, that clash. I am convinced that the terrorism is a real war between the two major religions of the Earth, namely Christianity and Islam. And that my friend is what they want to teach in schools called, Inteligent Design (God or Allah's design!)