Intelligent Design POLL

[QuantumConsultant]

I'm not trying to shoot down science. I'm trying to illustrate that science has shifted from Newtonion views to quantum level energy. Quantum physics, as you all know, has a set of laws that are not compatible with classical physics. The Ancients said 5000 or more years ago that the physical world is an illusion. They actually had a word for it: Maya. Western science said could not comprehend this until quantum physics came into the picture. Now quantum level scientists agree with the statement of the ancients that all things are illusion.

As a fellow scientist I'm just trying to to see if i can plant a seed in your consciousness. Please don't make the mistake of dismissing ideas so quickly. Open up to new possibilities. As a scientist you are seeking something or you would not be a scientist. I'm just offering a bit of information only to those of you who find what I'm saying interesting. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. Just shed a little Light. (No pun intended)

Love to you all

QC

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

As a fellow scientist I'm just trying to to see if i can plant a seed in your consciousness. Please don't make the mistake of dismissing ideas so quickly. Open up to new possibilities. As a scientist you are seeking something or you would not be a scientist. I'm just offering a bit of information only to those of you who find what I'm saying interesting. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. Just shed a little Light. (No pun intended)

Love to you all

QC

Keep spelling it out in scientific terms Quantum! My grasp of the metaphysical (emotive) potentials of atomic consciousness is mostly intuitive and consequently have been struggling to get the same open-minded attitude from fellow human beings on this forum since my first post.

I believe that a respectful working relationship between physicists and metaphysicians is essential if we are to ever fully appreciate the dual nature (particle/wave) of intelligent design. There are two sides to our brains and science mainly exercises only the analytical half. The wealth of ancient intuitive insights, gained from painstaking metaphsyical drills and exercises, should be part of the modern science curruclum. Practicing right brain drills will not harm the left brain empirical ethic. It opens the whole psyche to the vast sub-conscious treasure house of imprinted ancestral knowledge and expands the field of research exponentially. It allows the individual psyche to transcend the speed of light and explore the entire universe outside of the body, and see and experience all its wonders first hand. Right now we can only do that in uncontrolled dream states - though there are some who are already out exploring the astral in controlled flights.

[Boerseun]

Discussing the above topic is awesome. Having the freedom to do that is even better. Being completely and utterly wrong, however, doesn't help.

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Keep spelling it out in scientific terms Quantum!

You no doubt believe that the use of "scientific terms" makes an argument more plausible, or even more "true". Alas, this is not true. If the argument itself runs counter to the evidence, then using "scientific terms" is just a waste of time.

My grasp of the metaphysical (emotive) potentials of atomic consciousness is mostly intuitive...

Case in point.

...have been struggling to get the same open-minded attitude from fellow human beings on this forum since my first post.

you are confusing "open-mindedness" with gullibility and credulousness. I am open-minded. I will listen to any argument and to its evidence and supporting logic. I will give benefit of any doubt. Then I will analyze. And if the argument comes up looking like "How many angels can dance on the tip of the horn of an invisible Unicorn?" then I reject it. That is NOT being close-minded.

I believe that a respectful working relationship between physicists and metaphysicians...

Just like there is a respectful working relationship between modern medical surgeons and witchdoctors? I don't think this is ever gonna happen. Dream on.

It allows the individual psyche to transcend the speed of light

Case in point, again.

I would love to engage you in a serious discussion, MM, but if you're gonna bring in Unicorns to every discussion, it's just not gonna happen.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by Pyrotex

I am open-minded. I will listen to any argument and to its evidence and supporting logic. I will give benefit of any doubt. Then I will analyze.

You've been sitting next to the Balonium too long Pyrotex.

Time to go back up to the Hollo-Deck, and work the electrogravitic tramhooks.

Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some.

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Racoon

You've been sitting next to the Balonium too long Pyrotex.
Time to go back up to the Hollo-Deck, and work the electrogravitic tramhooks.
Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some.

ROTFLMAO

...balonium good...

...I'll drop some in the mail...

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Pyrotex

Just like there is a respectful working relationship between modern medical surgeons and witchdoctors? I don't think this is ever gonna happen. Dream on. Case in point, again.

I would love to engage you in a serious discussion, MM, but if you're gonna bring in Unicorns to every discussion, it's just not gonna happen.

Thirty years ago, Dr Adrian Boshier, director of the Museum of Man and Sciences in Johannesburg, took a witchdoctor on a tour of psychiatric hospital. The witchdocotor, Robert Shaballa, without asking a single question, unerringly pointed out a number of patients among the many in the ward, that he said he could cure. It turned out that each of the seven were the only schitzophrenics and hysterics among one hundred patients - mental states that remain incurable with modern science. He claimed that he could see by their auras that they were suffering from spiritual blockages. Naturally he never got a chance to prove his point. But the fact remains, he identified the mental state on sight without mistake. Robert claimed that he could feel the pain of a patient several days before the person actually arrived at his house in Soweto for treatment.

I took a documentary team to a location outside Germiston to investigate a psychic healer. When we got to her house some hours before dawn, her front yard was covered with sleeping bodies - patients who had walked through the night to get there. When we questioned them, all said they had been to see regular doctors, who were unable to diagnose their illnesses. During that day we filmed that old women (who worked with nothing but a razor blade, after silently consulting a cheap plastic rosary and taking some snuff to make her sneeze) operate on seventy patients. She made incisions in their skin, either on the forehead, or somewhere on the torso and sucked out all manner of objects, from bits of bones and shells, to sewing needles and bits of plastic. My incredulous crew claimed that she had previopusly swallowed the objects and was merely regurgitating them. I had no Xray machine to confirm or deny this. But what claimed my interest was her seemingly unerring diagnoses of where the pain (among all the hundred of parts of the body) affected her patients. She did this without questioning them. Two of my production crew members had congenital problems. One had bad stomache problems and the other had had a fallopian pregnancy operation and still suffered pain years later. The old women went directly to both of the affected areas - again without asking anything. I have that all registered on film.

Maybe our modern doctors could take a lesson from witchdocters and get a better cure ratio if they had the same bed-side manners. ie. Opening their psyches up in order to feel where the pain is without a host of diagnostic tests needed to tell them. Healing is also an art is it not?

I am posting this for those who are interested in the full range of paranormal capabilities the human psyche is capable of - when it is open to invisible forces that cannot be quantified by a formula and is trained on how to focus them as a service to others.

The history of devil's advocates who refuse to accept any of it goes back into antiquity. Those who question it without scorn, are as necessary as those who take it on faith. Those who employ both science and faith in their investigations find the joy of inspiration and know exactly from whence it springs without loosing their self respect or their sense of awe for a designing force greater than themselves..

[Boerseun]

Ritual have proven very efficient in curing hypochondriacs.

When you grow up in a culture believing in the authority of witchdoctors and sangomas, and basically any other kind of loon insisting in the reality of 'auras' as tangible things, what comes into play here is the placebo effect, for which a ton of evidence exist.

Sucking out a list of foreign objects as long as my arm is part of the witchdoctor's ad campaign - the witchdoctor has to employ 'smoke and mirrors' in order to 'wow' the audience, to maintain a form of mystical authority.

This is not science. This is confusing a bunch of naive, barely literate people for personal gain. It is dangerous, to say the least, but it goes to show how strong the placebo effect is with humans.

[QuantumConsultant]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Ritual have proven very efficient in curing hypochondriacs.

When you grow up in a culture believing in the authority of witchdoctors and sangomas, and basically any other kind of loon insisting in the reality of 'auras' as tangible things, what comes into play here is the placebo effect, for which a ton of evidence exist.

Sucking out a list of foreign objects as long as my arm is part of the witchdoctor's ad campaign - the witchdoctor has to employ 'smoke and mirrors' in order to 'wow' the audience, to maintain a form of mystical authority.

This is not science. This is confusing a bunch of naive, barely literate people for personal gain. It is dangerous, to say the least, but it goes to show how strong the placebo effect is with humans.

And what exactly do you think the plecebo effect is? It's the mind affecting change. Quantum physics knows this intimately: the mere observation and expectation of an outcome of an experiment changes the experiment. The woman who touched Jesus' garment was healed instantly. Her belief, or as you call it, the plecebo effect was what healed her. The mind's powerful ability to do this is the core of spiritual teaching and the crux of the statement in Genesis that states that we are all created in the image of God. Yes, God is the very foundation of your being and yet you mock this. How else do you think your mind has the ability to heal the body and other human beings and make changes in the world? It all starts with just believing!!? Of course the plecebo effect is strong in humans. Jesus also said that if we had the faith of a mustard seed we could move mountains. The plecebo effect is evidence of this promise and yet you make fun of it.

The study of auras, or rather the bio-energitic field, has been going on since the 1960s. There are thousands of photos of this phenomenon and several types of equipment that can detect the electromagnetic energy field that is emitted by every living form on the planet including plants.

For thousands of years new discoveries and ideas have always been mocked and ridiculed by people with limited thinking who are too lazy to find out for themselves the truth of the matter in question . Their "plecebo effect" severly limits their ability to experience the wonders and joy of their true nature as a being of Divine Light. It amazes me to see people on a science forum come to conclusions about topics they haven't even studied.

May the Light of God illuminate you from within.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

And what exactly do you think the plecebo effect is? It's the mind affecting change.

The placebo effect is an illusion of healing for an illusionary illness. The placebo effect will not reverse cancer or AIDS, however, it might alleviate some imaginary sickness. The placebo effect works wonders on hypochondriacs. There is no such thing as an aura. The photos you are referring to is infrared pics where the layer of hot air rising off the individual's skin looks eerily like some sort of spiritual manifestation. Which it it not, of course.

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

Yes, God is the very foundation of your being and yet you mock this...
How else do you think your mind has the ability to heal the body and other human beings and make changes in the world? It all starts with just believing!!? ...
Jesus also said that if we had the faith of a mustard seed we could move mountains...
The plecebo effect is evidence of this promise and yet you make fun of it...

What made you think I'm a Christian? This isn't a pulpit. Get off your soapbox. I will let you know I mock the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and any other dogmatic belief system such as Islam, Mormons, and, incidentally, Christianity, on an equal basis.

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

The study of auras, or rather the bio-energitic field, has been going on since the 1960s. There are thousands of photos of this phenomenon and several types of equipment that can detect the electromagnetic energy field that is emitted by every living form on the planet including plants.

A lot has been going on since the '60s. A lot of it mind-altering and illegal. To the best of my knowledge, there is no device that can pick up an 'aura' for the simple reason that an 'aura' does not exist - regardless of how many hippies hold hands and sing kumbaya. Neither does a soul, for that matter. You are confusing psychedelic infrared photography with what you want it to be. It's not.

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

For thousands of years new discoveries and ideas have always been mocked and ridiculed by people with limited thinking who are too lazy to find out for themselves the truth of the matter in question .

The irony of this incredibly intelligent statement of yours is staggering in scope and size. Try again.

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

Their "plecebo effect" severly limits their ability to experience the wonders and joy of their true nature as a being of Divine Light. It amazes me to see people on a science forum come to conclusions about topics they haven't even studied.

Hahaha - people coming to science forums don't usually bother with such immensely intellectually stimulating topics such as Divine Light. While we're on the topic, though - what's the speed of Divine Light? Should we refer to that as DC? Would E=m(d)c2 hold? Does Divine Light consist out of normal photons, or little photons with halos? Come on. Get real.

Originally Posted by QuantumConsultant

May the Light of God illuminate you from within.

May the sun's nuclear furnace burn in order to emit photons so that you can metabolize for many more years...