is genius inspired by God

[nigelgeorge]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Let's look at it another way then...

Would not ignorance and hatred also be inspired by God by the above logic?

no because a god of love would never inspire ignorance or hatred .

[nigelgeorge]

its nice to find a kindred spirit

[KickAssClown]

Well, for me this question has a few answers and a few other questions associated with it.

I'll start with assuming you mean god in to popular understanding/depiction.

With that in mind, I will say no. It does not come from god. The reason for this is, is that original thought is an act of freewill, and god holds no influence over the free will of man. I forget where it says that, but I am fairly sure it says it in the bible.

Now, with my personal definition of god the answer becomes yes. This is because god is defined locally, in that all is of god, and the individual is god in whole and in part, at the same time in appropriately quantum manner.

God becomes synonymous with the Self, or the Higher conscious of being. Therefore, original thought is generated within the self, and passed out through the conscious psyche into the world via communication. Original thought is then a transcendent action of freewill.

Now, one also would most likely find it prudent to define what is original thought? If the definition of original thought is inspiration without cause, or without previous experience, then I would be forced to concider rejection of one of two notions out right. That definition would implicated a violation of Causality, which would be significant, given that cause and effect is concidered law, meaning that it has not been proven wrong at current.

However, if Original thought is defined as the result of synthesis of previously disparaged or otherwise seemingly incompatible memes, thoughts, ideas, beliefs, methodologies, or otherwise ephermerial, then I would more readily accept it as a viable event within a Causal universe, which would seem to be the kind of universe we live in.

Also, I would like to note, that god is quantum. He is both Good and Evil. It is a nessessity of a super positioned being. Of a omniscient being. God is aware of every sparrow that falls. He is the alpha, and the omega, beginning and the end. The king of all kingdoms, and keeper of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of malice, they were then capable of realizing the truth. God is the one who is "I am that I am", the name of god is truth. Adam and Eve could then know the Truth, and therefore could know god.

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Would not ignorance and hatred also be inspired by God by the above logic?

Given that man has freewill and god is defined uber-equivilantly. No!

Given that man has free will and god is defined equivilantly. Yes!

[clapstyx]

This is an interesting question because if one can prove that it is then by default you prove the existence of god.

First its neccessary to prove genuis at some level and secondly prove that this level of genius was in some way inspired by the concept of God.

Genius of course is both largely relevent (to the average IQ) and highly intangible. For the most part the ordinary person would not even recognise genius. Often geniusses have to dumb down their intelligence so that others around them can comprehend what they mean so much of the quality is lost.

Nonetheless lets start with the son of God and presume for the sake of the argument that the final step from one to the other can be made at the conclusion of the argument.

Based on this if I can prove that a) I am a genius and b) I have been inspired to genius level by the concept of Christ then I would have the winning argument.

Insofar as proving genius goes this is a little difficult but I will do my best and now place on the table 3 potential candidates to support the assertion that I am. I think most of us would agree that genius often involves the solution of seemingly impossible problems that are beyond the IQ of normal people to solve. So here are 3 workable solutions to common global problems.

First. The middle east crisis. Fundamentally the core of the difficulty in resolving the dispute between Palestine and Israel is who has the development rights for Temple Mount. Simply solve this by calling on all people in the world to submit a physical representation of the concept of harmony. The person, nation or religion which comes up with the highest conceptualisation of the harmonic concept until a greater manifestation is created. This creates a positive global focus on what the logic behind the concept is and by solving it this way we progress towards global peace (because we will have proven that even a long running dispute such as this one is within our capacity to quickly solve by the end of the year) and also a state of global harmony because we will have an increased consciousness of the concept itself and how it is created. The religion that is most in tune with the concept of perfect harmony at the highest imaginable level will win the "Competition" and rightly have control. I would submit a black crystal and a white crystal with their pointy ends touching the same solid gold guitar pick, uniting the opposites of black and white (positive and negative energy) towards a common goal of harmony. If you wanted to take it further you could place on top of thatg a living organism to represent living harmony and the organic thereof. All it would take is for 2 men to agree to give the world the chance for world peace and we could get down to more serious issues like what are we going to do about accelerating CO2 pollution of our shared planets atmosphere.

Test of genius 2. Global economics. it would seem that to ensure the longevity of eveything the common goals of business and the environment need to be in tune such that the more successful a business becomes the better it is for the state of the planet and so allowing it to leverage off that as a marketing advantage. This can be done by creating a 3 way simbiotic relationship between a stationery company with redundent stock, a rainforest foundation looking to save the worlds oldest rainforest from the property developers and a cancer research institute. The company would flag on its website all of its slow moving / dead stock items and offer to pay these two organisations 30% of the selling price in return for their help in promoting their sale. The 3 organisations would then have a self interest in the success of the other 2 and the consumer would be able to simultaneously satisfy their own product needs and have a way created for them to begin revegetating the planet through all of the companies that agreed to promote the sale of old stock items that they were going to throw out or heavily discount anyway. Thus satisfying the first rule of ecosystem management which is maximise resourcefulness and minimise waste.

Genius Test 3.Reinvent paper so that it can be used in a photocopier and then be erased like a sheet of whiteboard paper and use 90% of all the profits and royalties to fund the reinstatement of wildlife habitats therefore decreasing the probability of a breakdown of the ecosystem matrix caused by the loss of a species that is critical to the lifeccle completion of another. Eg The cassowary an endangered bird in the last remnant of the worlds oldest forest which is directly responsible for the survival of at least 92 other species and beyond that there is a polynomial that no one has been smart enough to actually calculate but lets presume there is a ripple affect when the tree it helped to survive also becomes extinct because of the loss and takes with it all those species whose probabilities of survival fall to critical levels in its absence.

Lets assume that one or all of these is an expression of some sort of genius or leads to a greater realisation of a new truth in your own mind that you never contemplated before.

Using Christ as an inspiration i wondered what it would actually take to save the world and create global harmony..was it even possible at all ?

The whole point of a religion is that it is a philosophy to convert a negative situation into a positive outcome of the highest imaginable order by imagining the absolute ultimate and challenging the subconscious mind to solve the challenge. For many of us this helps us divine the truth not only as to the nature of our own souls but as to our potential as humans to control the destiny that is our future. Are we intelligent enough to solve the problems we create ? Do we even conceive what the absolute ultimate best outcome and best path to that outcome is..the one that solves the most problems simultaneously with the least amount of effort and creates the greatest number of positive future possibilt

That depends on whether you think it is a positive thing to be adversarial to the argument.

I await your judgement.

[stanleyg]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Let's look at it another way then...

Would not ignorance and hatred also be inspired by God by the above logic?

Job32 [8] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

2Tim3 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by nigelgeorge

no because a god of love would never inspire ignorance or hatred .

Wow... really put me in my place with that one, dintcha?

This is a self-reinforcing unsubstantiated point, but hey! I guess this IS the theology forum.

Originally Posted by stanleyg

Job32 [8] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

So, basically, the "Almighty" gives hatred and ignorance as well.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by nigelgeorge

no because a god of love would never inspire ignorance or hatred .

So, what is God then? A God of Love, or an omnipotent God?
You can't have it both ways.

I will repeat this once again for the posters here.

The Religion Forum is not a pulpit. It is for the rational and objective discussion about all religions, and how they impact society.

There are forums out there if you want to preach. They're not here, though.

[clapstyx]

I find the concept of evil quite inspiring as well in some moments, such as if I am looking to play a really heavy duty guitar solo to a crossroads style blues number. Which would you fear most the greatest Devil or the greatest God having a shot at being his worst just to prove he has still got what it takes to stay in tune with the senses of his greatest enemy..and come back to a positive frame of mind from the greatest point of disharmony. Create a bit of choas and prove again that you are still in control of the moment ?

Lets say you were a musician at heart and you said who is the man they call God on Earth..and the closest thing was Clapton.

Hmmm I want to play him at his best..when he is at his most pissed off so he has some attitude about him that is equal to the moment at the Crossroads when we play for the future of the world.

First i might say "Well gee Eric..Julian lennon sure does look a lot like you did when you were his age..sure you didnt go poking around with the wife of another Beatle"

The higher the stakes the lower the blows..at least what Powderfinger said on their Second Coming Soundtrack Odyssey Number 5.

Then there is the matter of that graffiti..sure you didnt put it there yourself "Clapton is God my arse..you havent proven that since before Duane Allman died..I havent heard you improvise in sync on a note since then. If you were that good you'd be setting yourself up anyway you could to get back in that moment"

Then the weight gets heavy doesnt it..when if you did play like that once more live..at a concert to save the world..held in secret..in a duel with the other guitar play that the world would pick..and not tell you who it was..making you go on live..simulcast around the world not knowing what the situation was in advance. We'd give you the song pick of course.. a blues number you could probably muddle your way through..followed by something we reckon is the hardest thing you would be able to find harmony with..so you knew it was coming up"

I bet people would pay $20 bucks for a DVD of that if they knew the profits would be split between saving the worlds oldest flower and your Crossroads Foundation..just to see the day when someone found their way through a difficult moment and found a harmonic resolve.

All they would have to do really to see it happen is send this note to Roger Forrester c/- dee@primalent.com

Who knows it might be the last chance to save that species from the developers, who have bought much of the worlds oldest forest and are starting in September when they will have their development bans lifted. The only way is to buy it back coz they arent giving it back. Thats the sort of progress the world has been making to preserve its sources of inspiration.

The worlds simplest remaining form of flowering tree is the Hopes Cycad..or if you are a botanist the Idiospermum australiense/ Maybe I am an idiot..or maybe I am a genius..who can truly say..maybe I am the son of God himself for all you know and this is the only way. What were you doing when I was conceived by the way ??

[clapstyx]

Originally Posted by stanleyg

Yes! Genius/original thought is inspired by God. All knowledge exist with God. When we humble ourselves to trust and ask God for knowledge, our Father reveals his answers to us through our spiritual network (i.e. soul). Our souls convey His knowledge to our intellect in the form of imaginations, dreams or ideas. A genius has the will power to manifest knowledge from our intellect into the existence of our physical realm. It profounds our human imagination, in that only a rare number of us trust our faith in our Father for knowledge.

Well ask Him for a plan to save the world in our lifetime then genius..since you can tap into the consciousness of the holy spirit.

By the way..do you think the world is still hung up on the crucifixion ?

[stanleyg]

Originally Posted by KickAssClown

Well, for me this question has a few answers and a few other questions associated with it.

I'll start with assuming you mean god in to popular understanding/depiction.

With that in mind, I will say no. It does not come from god. The reason for this is, is that original thought is an act of freewill, and god holds no influence over the free will of man. I forget where it says that, but I am fairly sure it says it in the bible.

Now, with my personal definition of god the answer becomes yes. This is because god is defined locally, in that all is of god, and the individual is god in whole and in part, at the same time in appropriately quantum manner.

God becomes synonymous with the Self, or the Higher conscious of being. Therefore, original thought is generated within the self, and passed out through the conscious psyche into the world via communication. Original thought is then a transcendent action of freewill.

Now, one also would most likely find it prudent to define what is original thought? If the definition of original thought is inspiration without cause, or without previous experience, then I would be forced to concider rejection of one of two notions out right. That definition would implicated a violation of Causality, which would be significant, given that cause and effect is concidered law, meaning that it has not been proven wrong at current.

However, if Original thought is defined as the result of synthesis of previously disparaged or otherwise seemingly incompatible memes, thoughts, ideas, beliefs, methodologies, or otherwise ephermerial, then I would more readily accept it as a viable event within a Causal universe, which would seem to be the kind of universe we live in.

Also, I would like to note, that god is quantum. He is both Good and Evil. It is a nessessity of a super positioned being. Of a omniscient being. God is aware of every sparrow that falls. He is the alpha, and the omega, beginning and the end. The king of all kingdoms, and keeper of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of malice, they were then capable of realizing the truth. God is the one who is "I am that I am", the name of god is truth. Adam and Eve could then know the Truth, and therefore could know god.



Given that man has freewill and god is defined uber-equivilantly. No!

Given that man has free will and god is defined equivilantly. Yes!

Amen! I agree with your concept of God. It parallels to my studies. Continue the good work.