By clonning can human become God

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by arkain101

Could you state things more clearly and more upfront that had to do with my post, dattaswami?

God is beyond logic and therefore none can analyse God. But such God comes in flesh to give His experience to us. For example Jesus came as God in flesh. Now the problem comes because Hinduism projects another God in flesh like Krishna. Krishna told that He is God. Jesus told that He is God because He and His father are one and the same. Now which God should I accept? Both of you do not permit me to do analysis. Then both of you discuss and finalise so that I will accept either Krishna or Jesus. You neither give me the conclusion nor allow me to get the conclusion!

[Lord Hakk]

NO. Just by cloning u cant become god, what an outragous thought. But, by colonning we become smarter as we do what supposedly "god(s)" does/do. I have a theory that aliens created us. God took a bone from adam to create eve. Sounds like a very advanced form of clonning, huh? there was a special on the history channel about that, I didnt see all of it but I saw enough of it.
Scientists who try to figure out more about this stuff, like being "god" are hindered by relious nuts. Who will belive anything thats in their bible.And I was thinking, the cristain bible contradicts itself. My friend said that the cristian bible (correct me if im wrong) says that everyone who beilves in a different translation, or a different god are going to hell. But jesus was jewish. And they accepted him as their savior.So tecnically they are going to hell, also. And they think of hell as a bad place, but some famous roman guy( i think) once said " if politicians go to hell, I would rather go to hell so I could argue politics, rather than go to heavan and be bored" or somthing like that. So I think that the cristian religion is wrong. I accually started my own religon. It belives in all the gods/goddesses that dont hate other religions.(sorry cristians)and I belive in science.

[alexander]

I have a theory that aliens created us.

i have a theory that you should lay off LSD and the Stargate series joking ofcourse, i've had that thought many times before, infact made fun of some guy out on the street preaching, he was like "Beleive in the looorde Jesus Chrisste, he died for yoour sinns, follow the lloorde is the least you can doo..." [using more phonetic spelling so you can guess how he said it too]. He had a few people around him, so i come around, and he does this speach again saying that Jesus died for the sins of humanity, so i'm like whoah, stop there, we may have a missunderstanding here. You see, i beleive that i was sent to Earth by what you call "aliens" to survey on this world's population, gain the human knowledge and judge the progression of what earthlings call "God" created. Since you just said that Jesus died for the sins of humanity, and i am not human, therefore he did not die for my sins, and i have no business in following him...

So I think that the cristian religion is wrong. I accually started my own religon. It belives in all the gods/goddesses that dont hate other religions.(sorry cristians)and I belive in science.

go back to paganism ... hey, it worked for thousands of years longer then Christianity, and killed way less people... my problem with christianity? really must be the fact that all your religious writing says, dont hurt others, yet your church has most likely killed more people then WWII, stopped technological progrssion for years and killed off some of the brightest people of their time, and then the church is like, oops, we didnt mean to kill Gallileo (as an example), my bad... It was spread by monks, yes, but more then that, it was enforced by authorities, punishable by death at some times, over taxation others. And then you had Christian Knights, cruisaders, the dudes that would ride up to a perfectly fine village and go: "Hey you, repent your god, and accept this Jesus, (and once again, Christians like to beleive that they are following Jesus's teachings, i'd beg to differ) because if you dont accept him, we will cut all your heads off". Another thing, is that the Bible has been changed so much to suit the needs of religious authorities, and authorities in general, un [censor]frigging[/censor] beleivable. Example there would be the decision to make Jesus divine in 324AD (don't quote me on the date, First Council of Nicea), also making Maria Magdalena a hoar bu Pope what's his face, and then saying another oops in 1960's, no hoar, she was his best follower...oops...
That's what urks me the most, World... now i give the word to... (oops Family Guy quote )

[TheBigDog]

Human is already God. By cloning he is reaching toward the potential that human believes God to be. God is not an entity. God is the end point of human evolution.

I am almost sold DS. A few hundred more posts and you will have me convinced.

Bill

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Human is already God. By cloning he is reaching toward the potential that human believes God to be. God is not an entity. God is the end point of human evolution.

I am almost sold DS. A few hundred more posts and you will have me convinced.

Bill

Reaching self is reaching Lord?

Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now from this moment onwards. They like the preacher to say that they should just come out of their house to receive a heap of infinite treasure lying down before the doors. Anybody will be happiest to receive the news that, he has become eligible to join the post of district collector in whatever stage of his study to the I.A.S. Examination he is present. The post is offered to the fresh student who just joined the I.A.S. Course and also to the student who passed the I.A.S. Examination. Both are equally eligible now itself to join the same post. If the preacher says that already both have joined the post and that they have forgotten this truth, now all the effort is only to recognize that they are the district collectors. This gives the idea that there is no need of any future effort. This is the mis-interpreted philosophy of monoism (Advaita) of Sankara.

Every body is very much attracted to this path. The influence of this path is so much that no body is coming out of this illusion. It is so sweet that they are unable to leave this state. The basic misconcept is to think that the self is the superself. Self is any living being in this world. Super self is the Lord. They just find one common point i.e., the pure awareness (Chit) exists in both. The Prime Minister and his peon have several common points like pure awareness, similar form of external human body etc. Both eat and sleep similarly. Both are married and both have children. Because of these common points can you treat the Prime Minister and His peon as one and the same? Based on one common point i.e., pure awareness, how can you say that self is superself? Veda says that by the order of the Lord, the Sun is shining. In summer due to sunstroke a human being is killed. Let the Advaita scholar stand against the sunstroke and order the Sun not to kill him.

When the disciples of Sankara thought that they are also the Lord, Sankara swallowed the molten lead and asked the disciples to do the same. Then they fell on the feet of Sankara. Then Sankara told "Shivah Kevaloham", which means that only He is Shiva. The word Kevala (only) is important here. Sankara while taking bath in the ocean at Puri told "Oh! Lord! Though the qualitative identity is in between us, the quantitative difference exists. The water is common in both the sea and the wave like the pure awareness in the soul and super soul. But the quantitative difference exists and one should not forget that the entire wave is in the sea but the entire sea is not in the wave". This is stated as a message for the sake of ordinary soul. These Advaita Scholars filter all the differentiating points and finally get the common point filtered down into the beaker as the filtrate. The differentiating points are the residue on the filter paper and the filtered common point is in the downward beaker. They see only the beaker but not the filter paper. Therefore, the whole spiritual path is twisted and confused almost all the human beings.

Seeing this situation the same Sankara came as Ramanuja and Madhva and clearly differentiated the superself from the self. Some devotees have come out of this illusion but several people are still lingering there only due to their unreasonable and unimaginable ambition for the fruit. Unless this basic concept is realized, all the stages of the spiritual effort cannot be healthy. The poison injected in the foundation has spread all over the upstairs of the construction. Your question has already assumed that self is super self. You have no doubt about that basic concept. Nobody likes to touch that basic concept. If that basic concept is analysed the entire castle of their ambition will collapse. They cannot tolerate to loose the highest fruit, which was captured by them by the easiest way of self-realization. Now for such self-realization, you are asking whether the meditation or the study of scriptures is the path. When the goal itself is absent what is the use of the path? It is something like asking whether one should pass eighth standard or ninth standard to become the district collector. Neither of these two standards can give you the post. By passing those two standards one can get the post of a peon. One has to pass the I.A.S. Examination for which he is eligible after passing degree examination, which is far from both those standards. These advaita scholars argue that the peon is the collector. They do not accept the existence of any higher post other than the peon.

The reason for this basic misunderstanding is the word "Brahman". As per Sanskrit grammar this word comes from the root "Bruhi-Vruddhau", which means that the root meaning of this word is greatness. Anything that is great can be called as Brahman. The soul is the most precious and greatest item of the creation and is called as Para Prakruti, which means the greatest of all the created items. The soul is included as a part of the creation (Prakruti) and is called as Para Prakruti as said in Gita (Prakritim Viddhi me paraam….). It is not Creator. If it is Creator it cannot be called as Prakruti. It is only the modification of food during evolution as said in Veda (Annat Purushah…). The same inert energy called as electro magnetic radiation working through a special unknown technology is life. The materials of the technology are known and the working inert energy is also known. But the special technology in which it works is not known and therefore, life energy is not synthesized so far. Only God knows that technology.