Scientology Scare tactics video

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

Wait a minute!! What if!!? This means all religion is just made up to control people?

You seem to be gettin' the hang of it, Rebiu...

[Southtown]

Ya, so that people will blow themselves up.

[paigetheoracle]

I, for my sins, was once involved in Scientology and have been running ever since.

They have a nice Catch 22 situation, in that you get your services (Training/ Auditing [therapy through lie detection]) free if you join staff (paid a pittance, with little free time to yourself - in my time it was half a day a fortnight but hey we were trying to save the world, although I never found out from whom but I've now got a pretty good idea who for and it wasn't me).

The alternative was to pay for it yourself, which meant being rich and successful in your own right.

Another nice twist is that the prices for everything go up in increasing increments - £10 (first thing), £100 (second thing), £1000 (third thing) and so on.....

Only suppressives want to shut people up because they've got something to hide - the open (unafraid) leave you free to make up your own mind and do what you want to with your life (In Scientology, to be 'Declared' as an SP (suppressive person)is the old equivalent of being tarred and feathered). As they used to say in The Church of the Sugenius 'Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes - pull the wool over your own eyes!'

One thing I did learn is that it is easier to sell people lies rather than truth (they prefer to be deluded, rather than enlightened on the whole because they want the easy way out and so are prey to their own folly, which isn't Scientology's fault: Only a fool who's fooling himself, can fool another fool).

L. Ron Hubbard's (Hell Wrong Cupboard) situation reminded me of 'The Star Trek' episode, The Squire of Gothos - where a game player is pursued by his parents (The FBI equivalent). This seems to be the fate of liars, fantasists and disruptive children.

The poor guy lived a Boy's Own Fantasy and it backfired on him, dying mentally of paranoia as he ran from the authorities, just as he already showed it's seeds in some of his earlier films for fellow Scientologists, where he talked of methods of mental torture and interrogation beyond that known to 'humans'.


Eastern religions talk about there being nowhere else to go but here and no time being important but the present - so did he but unfortunately he couldn't live it and Auditing was designed to continually look into the past and Scientology's goal was always orientated towards the future.

John Revolta (I like the guy but I couldn't resist the pun) was supposed to be gay and cured of it by Scientology (Not according to the latest press photos though). Firstly who says it's wrong or a disease? Maybe it's just a process somebody goes through or a choice that is theirs to make alone: Film Stars have as much right to privacy as anyone else - we don't own them and they should be able to have time to enjoy their ill-gotten gains, as much as anyone else.

I never got very high in the Scientology rungs and so I can only talk from my limited experience (got kicked out after about 8 months).


By the way is it known if anyone has been bumped off by Scientology? I know they did some underhand things (Fair Game attacks upon the establishment and anyone declared an SP) and carried out dirty tricks against the US government (Their Watergate led to Hubbards 'then' wife going to jail, I seem to remember?).

Yikes, now what have I done - I'm a marked man!

[Southtown]

Originally Posted by paigetheoracle

One thing I did learn is that it is easier to sell people lies rather than truth (they prefer to be deluded, rather than enlightened on the whole because they want the easy way out and so are prey to their own folly, which isn't Scientology's fault: Only a fool who's fooling himself, can fool another fool).

. . .

The poor guy lived a Boy's Own Fantasy and it backfired on him, dying mentally of paranoia as he ran from the authorities, just as he already showed it's seeds in some of his earlier films for fellow Scientologists, where he talked of methods of mental torture and interrogation beyond that known to 'humans'.

Two symptoms of the same disease: conscience.

[paigetheoracle]

I personally can't say Scientology is all bad, having been in it but it is certainly scary in some of its elements and decidedly 'tricky' in some of its policy moves: Only a religion for tax purposes, plus see others mentioned in previous post on this subject.

It's certainly inspirational, which could be said of all religions and a few good books and it also had a lie detector in the form of an E-meter but Hubbard didn't start off with that, prefering bodily reaction I believe, which is the basis EMDR or rapid eye movement treatment, which has a certain logic and according to the latest issue of Nexus magazine,provable results.

Anybody interested can go to CultWatch as Ughaibu suggests or Anti-Scientology sites and Operation Clambake, for harder attacks upon the system (Personally I prefer The Church of the Subgenius and other humorous approaches myself, rather than hate mail i.e. laugh it off to experience, rather than pointlessly seek revenge against them, which still leaves you tied to them, banging on a door which will never open for you again: I don't want to be accepted by them, just myself as that is the road to freedom and moving on as they say in Zen: Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me (Let the buyer beware)).

[Southtown]

Yes, but in attempting to impart some learned wisdom to successive generations so they do not fall prey in repeating our mistakes, we risk being perceived as self-serving and accused of spreading dogma or oppression.

"Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word." -- Psalm 119:9 asv

[sanctus]

Does anyone have another link to that video? It didn't work for me....

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by sanctus

Does anyone have another link to that video? It didn't work for me....

It didn't work for me either Sanctus, and I would be curious to view it as well..
I did read the wiki on scientology... It is an interesting read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
The ongoing controversies involving the Church and its critics include:

Scientology's harassment and litigious actions against its critics and enemies.

Some critics charge Scientology with being a cult of personality, with much emphasis placed on the alleged accomplishments of its founder.

Scientologists claim that government files, such as those from the FBI, are loaded with forgeries and other false documents detrimental to Scientology [citation needed], but have never substantiated this accusation.

Unexplained deaths of Scientologists, most notably Lisa McPherson, allegedly due to mistreatment by other members.

Scientology's disconnection policy, in which members are encouraged to cut off all contact with friends or family members critical of the Church.[37]

Lobbying search engines such as Google and Yahoo to omit any webpages that are critical of Scientology from their search engines (and in Google's case, AdSense), or at least the first few search pages (now however, a search for Scientology on Google and Yahoo brings up the Wikipedia page, with both critical and official Scientology websites)
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The use of high-pressure sales tactics to obtain money from members.

Multiple criminal activities by Scientologists, both those committed for personal benefit (Reed Slatkin, Gabriel Williams, and others) and those committed on behalf of the Church and directed by Church officials (Operation Snow White, Operation Freakout, Fair Game, and others).

Numerous claims of brainwashing and mind control.

Differing accounts of L. Ron Hubbard's life, in particular accounts of Hubbard discussing his intent to start a religion for profit.

[Racoon]

Recent News articles about Scientology and one of its leading supporters, Tom Cruise...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...logy-scare.php

And I clipped this tidbit from a very good read @
http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/..._chapter.phtml

"Sounds to me that the possible wire-tapping and unmarked van outside your apartment has Scientology written all over it," reminding him that Tom Cruise happened to be a high ranking Scientologist, regarded by the cult as a God. "You come down on Tom Cruise, you risk having the weight of the entire cult coming down hard on your ass."

[Southtown]

I think I figured out which video it is by searching for the long quote in the first post. It's a 37 min recruitment tool called Orientation: A Scientology Information Film. But I think that first link was a bootleg of it, because it seems to be pulled from the internet. Go figure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientation_(film)