Thinking about intelligent design(what Quran says?)

[CraigD]

From the scripture that Emre_1974tr quotes, and other well known religious documents such as the Torah, I think we can incontrovertibly conclude that these documents state that a single entity, called YHWH, God, Allah, etc., both created the Earth, and actively causes such phenomena as wind and rain.

These claims are at strong odds with science, which explain the formation of the Earth and phenomena such as wind and rain as mechanical processes not involving any divine or supernatural agency.

Practically, I believe, most people, even the religiously devout, accept scientific explanations for the weather. While a reasonable person in the 7th Century might attempt to predict or control the weather through religious prayer or ritual, nearly all people now rely on sciences like meteorology.

In other areas, such as the origin of the Earth, many people, especially the religiously devout, continue to accept religious explanation over scientific ones. I suspect this is because there is little practical difference in the consequences of accepting one over the other. Unlike the ability to accurately predict the weather, knowledge of the origin of the Earth has little effect on day-to-day human life.

[Lancaster]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Dear Friend;

This is test world for us.

God only wants from you,beliving and saying "thanks" to him(you are using "him",but God isn't man or woman)

İs this crap?

İf a man giving you cars,money,health,nice house.......are you not saying thanks?

Don't kill, don't fight,don't speaking bad ......these are crap ?

Best regards.

The way I see it, God is blackmailing all of us. He says, either believe in me, worship me every day, and throw yourself at my feet, or burn in agony for all eternity.

Not that great of a deal from my perspective. Why not give us a choice?

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Lancaster

Why not give us a choice?

Because it isn't a or the god saying these things, but social manipulaters claiming that interpretation for personal gain.

A twelve-gauge, double-barreled, grenade-launcher of LOVE!
Yakety yak, God's talking back!

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[Lancaster]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Because it isn't a or the god saying these things, but social manipulaters claiming that interpretation for personal gain.

A twelve-gauge, double-barreled, grenade-launcher of LOVE!
Yakety yak, God's talking back!

~ ~

You hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head.

[phoenixbyrd]

CraigDknowledge of the origin of the Earth has little effect on day-to-day human life.

One would hope the social ramifications would be enough of a consequence! No one really wants to be labeled a dim witted primitive superstitous backwater ignorant person. Yet, many religous people do decide to remain as such. I understand it might not be 'politically correct' to openly label them as such, but we've come to understand so much and have learned so much about our universe, our planet, about life itself. What make's us tick.

I'm sorry, but a person claiming the planet is 4,600yrs-10,000yrs old in todays state of knowledge and proudly doing so, or that invisible magical people exist and created us cause we're oh so special is just begging to be labeled as an uneducated ignorant person. It's up to people to educate themselve's or to remain ignorant themselve's. We're not special, we're not the center of the universe, the world isn't 4,000 years old and there is no such thing as invisible magical beings who go bump in the night and rape mortal women.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by phoenixbyrd

One would hope the social ramifications would be enough of a consequence! No one really wants to be labeled a dim witted primitive superstitous backwater ignorant person. Yet, many religous people do decide to remain as such. I understand it might not be 'politically correct' to openly label them as such, but we've come to understand so much and have learned so much about our universe, our planet, about life itself. What make's us tick.

I'm sorry, but a person claiming the planet is 4,600yrs-10,000yrs old in todays state of knowledge and proudly doing so, or that invisible magical people exist and created us cause we're oh so special is just begging to be labeled as an uneducated ignorant person. It's up to people to educate themselve's or to remain ignorant themselve's. We're not special, we're not the center of the universe, the world isn't 4,000 years old and there is no such thing as invisible magical beings who go bump in the night and rape mortal women.

Quran never say 4000 years old.

[Lancaster]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran never say 4000 years old.

Neither does the Bible. Fundamentalist Christians do.

[phoenixbyrd]

Your right, it doesn't give any time table for creation. For a few thousand years before the Quran was written by man, people already believed the universe was of a certain age then.

[phoenixbyrd]

The bible doesn't directly say what age, but the text can and has been used to extrapolate an age.

[CerebralEcstasy]

Originally Posted by phoenixbyrd

The bible doesn't directly say what age, but the text can and has been used to extrapolate an age.

What it does say Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. There is no time frame given for this to have occurred.

So for people's who believe in the creationist account of how the heavens and earth were formed, there is no contradiction with science.

The place where people start to get confused, especially ones who support the young earth theory is found during the rest of the creation period where day and night were created etc.

They read the first verse, and then start counting from the fifth. Trying to derive the age of the earth from that point forward.

2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. 3 And God proceeded to say: “Let light come to be.” Then there came to be light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. 5 And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.

While most religions point out the faith aspect, the truth of the matter is that the bible must be scientifically accurate if God is it's Author. From the scriptures noted above, you can see the amount of things that occurred prior to God even claiming the first day was created.

Most religions will attempt to massage the scriptures in order to get them to agree with what their pastors interpret them as. Which is unfortunate, since this turns a lot of people off of religion in general, as they're tired of being lied to.