Federal income tax

orbsycli · 09-07-2007

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Originally Posted by TheBigDog

The powers of the Congress are limited by the Constitution as determined by the Judicial branch, ultimately interpreted by the Supreme Court.

I have heard people talking about this before, many of those who believe they do not have to pay taxes are in jail now, still believing that they are not compelled to pay taxes.

Bill

Well then they suck at this game.

Give me liberty or give me death, Ka Pish?

orbsycli · 09-07-2007

L O W E R T H E T H R E S H O L D O N L I B E R T Y S D Y N A M I C A M P L I T U D E S L O W L Y So T H E Y W O N T H E A R A T H I N G

TheBigDog · 09-07-2007

Don't sweat it too much, Orb. If you make $7500 or less you don't have to pay anything. Just keep your income low and you will be at peace with Uncle Sam.

Bill

orbsycli · 09-07-2007

Can't help but sweat it's
menacing to me
and many other people born in this generation
WHOA NOW
Quantum fluctuations in my face
is a mandala and they clean house
with missles.

orbsycli · 09-07-2007

oh and P.s. Did I mention how inspiring it is to live right here right now witnessing this madness?

It's so easy and comfortable here... It's going to take some serious hardships and travelling for me to ever appreciate america's fat yin yang of an ass bouncing around loud, drunk, balancing between freedom and the complete opposite like a King divided a million and a half times

Under the table,
Orbsycli

TheBigDog · 09-07-2007

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Originally Posted by orbsycli

oh and P.s. Did I mention how inspiring it is to live right here right now witnessing this madness?

It's so easy and comfortable here... It's going to take some serious hardships and travelling for me to ever appreciate america's fat yin yang of an ass bouncing around loud, drunk, balancing between freedom and the complete opposite like a King divided a million and a half times

Under the table,
Orbsycli

Good night Yang

Yin

Freddy · 09-08-2007

People really need to read the US Constitution as it is fairly straight forward. Article I: Section 8: Clause 1, spells it out. Congress has the power to tax period. Unless that clause is amended taxes are going to be right there with birth and death. Check out the last clause, 18 or the Elastic Clause, where Congress gets all powers that the Constitution does not specifically limit.

Article I: The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Article I: Section 2: Clause3,
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.)

Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

The only reason the 16th Amendment was needed was that Congress could lay a tax on incomes as long as the income did not come from property, because taxes from property were direct taxes and subject to apportionment. The idea that the 16th Amendment was needed before Congress could tax US workers' paychecks is false. It allowed all income to be taxed.

InfiniteNow · 09-08-2007

Jason - Take about an hour or two of your time, grab a caffeinated beverage of your choice, and read through the Federalist Papers, number 30 through 36 specifically.

The Federalist - Contents

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30 P 1787 Dec 28 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation
31 P 1788 Jan 1 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)
32 J 1788 Jan 2 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)
33 J 1788 Jan 2 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)
34 J 1788 Jan 5 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)
35 J 1788 Jan 5 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)
36 P 1788 Jan 8 H Concerning the General Power of Taxation (continued)

Publius.