My own Country!

[Theory5]

Can I declare my property my own separate country? Is there a law against that? Would the government even bother to acknowledge that its my own country? That would be cool. please get back to me.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Theory5

Can I declare my property my own separate country? Is there a law against that? Would the government even bother to acknowledge that its my own country? That would be cool. please get back to me.

I suppose you can declare that you have started your own country. The Confederacy did and you remember how that ended. Now if you entered into some foreign alliance then you would be violating the Constitution as only the President can deal with foreign policy and only Congress ratifies treaties. So, if you put up a sign saying here is "Theory5 Nation" probably no one would bother you as long as you pay your taxes and do not print your own money.

[TheBigDog]

T5, One of my favorite examples is The Republic of Rough and Ready, California. In 1850 they succeeded for three months before voting to return to their former status. There is a city in Australia that has become it own nation, and has very close ties to the Australian government. Rep to you if you can find a link to it here at Hypo. It is here someplace, I remember the conversation.

Bill

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Freddy

... probably no one would bother you as long as you pay your taxes and do not print your own money.

Since its T5's own country of course, there'd be no one else inside the country to trade with so there'd be little excuse for money...in fact, you'd have that mythical "Moneyless Society" that everyone's talking about...

Indivisible, with liberty and justice for me,
Buffy

[Boerseun]

To the best of my knowledge, the formula goes like this:

Seccession = High Treason = Death Penalty.

So, yes - you can declare your own country. But you'll need a biggish army if you want to make it last for longer than ten minutes.

[orbsycli]

that's sad.

"What do you want from me!!!!?"

"Pay up!"

[Qfwfq]

Originally Posted by Theory5

Can I declare my property my own separate country?

There is a slight jurisdictional hitch. Is it your property? Before declaring independence you had the benefit of the state within which it lies guaranteeing your right of property. After becoming independent, you have no guarantee but your own. The same goes for the independence itself, so ya better choose your foreign policy carefully.

Originally Posted by Theory5

Is there a law against that?

Probably not explicitly, because most nations simply don't contemplate the case. Maybe some modernist ones do; Prodi's proposed EU constitution provided for opt-out as much as for opt-in, it was of course to be a federal constitution, and that of a modern federation highly based on good neighborly relations.

Originally Posted by Freddy

The Confederacy did and you remember how that ended.

Why do Americans call it the Civil War, while it's called the secession war in other countries?

Originally Posted by Freddy

Now if you entered into some foreign alliance then you would be violating the Constitution as only the President can deal with foreign policy and only Congress ratifies treaties.

Which constitution and which president? This argument is somewhat an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by Freddy

So, if you put up a sign saying here is "Theory5 Nation" probably no one would bother you as long as you pay your taxes and do not print your own money.

Sealand prints its own money, stamps, and even issues Sealand passports. The UK gov't simply doesn't recognize it and really doesn't bother with it.

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

T5, One of my favorite examples is The Republic of Rough and Ready, California. In 1850 they succeeded for three months before voting to return to their former status. There is a city in Australia that has become it own nation, and has very close ties to the Australian government.

Never heard of these, I'll be looking up!

Originally Posted by Boerseun

But you'll need a biggish army if you want to make it last for longer than ten minutes.

The Repubblica di San Marino doesn't have a big army at all. Apart from two very brief occupations during the later Middle Ages and moments of tension during neighboring conflicts, it has maintained its independence for about 17 centuries, by means of good neighborly relations as it came to be surrounded by larger states. Currently, its foreign policy is aligned with that of Italy but it is still fully its own jurisdiction; it also shares things including the official language and currency and, even with the Euro, still has conventions for minting its own.

[Qfwfq]

Rough and Ready, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All this came to an abrupt halt less than three months later when, preparing for an Independence Day celebration, it was realized the independent country of Rough and Ready, no longer a part of the United States, had no reason to celebrate.

[Theory5]

Originally Posted by Qfwfq

There is a slight jurisdictional hitch. Is it your property? Before declaring independence you had the benefit of the state within which it lies guaranteeing your right of property.

Well....no. Its my parents property and technically the bank owns it but as long as they pay the bank, we own it.

Originally Posted by Freddy

I suppose you can declare that you have started your own country. The Confederacy did and you remember how that ended. Now if you entered into some foreign alliance then you would be violating the Constitution as only the President can deal with foreign policy and only Congress ratifies treaties. So, if you put up a sign saying here is "Theory5 Nation" probably no one would bother you as long as you pay your taxes and do not print your own money.

last time I checked the confederacy was about 1/2 the united states, and they were FOR slavery. and that my house sits on an acre of land(with most of the backyard saved as conservation land by the state(or government))and I can proudly say that MY country wont have racial profiling.

And If i created my own country why would I have to pay taxes?

[Theory5]

"All this came to an abrupt halt less than three months later when, preparing for an Independence Day celebration, it was realized the independent country of Rough and Ready, no longer a part of the United States, had no reason to celebrate."
people are so funny.