The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[modest]

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

but you are comparing apples to oranges, and let me try and explain.

It did not occur to me that my out of body experience is substantially different than that of any one else.

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

last I read, it will be about 10% of 6 billion, I tried and figure out the exact math, but my calculator does not go that high.

You don't need a calculator to calculate 10%. Just move the desemil point one place to the left. 6,000,000,000 becomes 600,000,000 or 600 million.

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

So let's get back to you or me floating out of our body. Where do we go in this state if there is one, and try and communicate back to other humans?
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I do not suggest you try and go into a TV or radio, because of the flow of energy in those machines. Who knows what that would do to you, maybe shoot you through a loop of energy, that consist of being inside cables, we really don't know, because nobody has dared take on such a mess of worms, as we have let this possibility be treated.

But my demonstration proved rather effectively that an OBE does not involve our observation or interaction with anything outside our own body. If I were actually seeing the dice in my room then I would have gotten their sides shown correct. What I was seeing was a creation of my room and its contents in my own mind - and an incorrect recreation at that. My experiment confirmed it empirically. I was not able to learn anything about my environment that I didn't already know.

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

There is not one, probable has never been one, except I heard that Houdini was going to make it happen, but it never did happen for him. If he did get the chance, I wonder what he tried?

You heard wrong - Houdini didn't believe in the supernatural or spirits. He spent a lot of time debunking spiritualists and promoting the idea that there are rational explanations for those things that appear extraordinary.

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Follow your dreams, just as long as you don't believe in Tim's idea, not that we can prove him wrong, we just don't think we can afford free.

It is not our job to prove your claim wrong. Your claim is extraordinary and as such it is up to you to prove it correct. If you cannot prove it correct with an extraordinary amount of evidence then it is assumed wrong. That's how things work in the scientific community.

If you want to believe that people can and do leave their body either before or after they die then that's fine. But, you have no evidence that's the case. You propose no rational mechanism whereby such a thing would happen. All you have is a personal experience that moved you which is fine but is not something science is going to be drawn to.

Don't forget OBEs have been studied scientifically. They have been reproduced in the laboratory with strong electromagnetic fields. They have been described biologically - and created pharmaceutically. Have you studied the previous research? Have you studied the work people have done trying to prove a person's essence leaves their body after death? Does '21 grams' mean anything to you? Perhaps doing research would help you better relate your ideas to the scientific community as well as help you curtail your theories yourself.

- modest

[Tim Brewer]

"You don't need a calculator to calculate 10%. Just move the dismal point one place to the left. 6,000,000,000 becomes 600,000,000 or 600 million."

I knew that, but I justed wanted somebody else to type it out, so we can talk about it.

Those are real people, and everyone of those 600,000,000 are all going to have the same dream. I would think that you would be had pressed to find any other group of people in our world, that has the same dreams at some point in their life, that was as real as I am thinking right now.

I have no doubt, with the right people you, could probable convince me that I am dreaming now.

Now I could understand your point, if I was asking for a lot of research money to study my idea, but we already have everything in place.

All we are doing is changing a mind set. One with the patient and one with you.


Let's review again:

Think of out of body experiences like the different shades of green.

If you watch lighting when it hits a copper wire, it creates it's own type of green.


I understand that you were trying experiments that answered questions for you, but that is only the tip of the ice burg.

You were able to show what you could control, and what type of results you had when you woke up. When I had my out of body experience, I did not wake up, I was already up, and stayed that way, until I went to bed that night.

I do not need science approval for my idea to work.

I need a patient of BrainGate to except my idea, and promise to try it.

Not a science, but a patient.

This idea is past science, it is now a human choice.

Now it is science choice if the patients are given the opportunity to decide if they want to do it or not, at least in this country.

I know some people in my life would think that is news in it self.

Patient gets to decide my idea, not science.

All science has to do is promise to leave it on twenty four hours after they die, and see if anything happens.


No animals will be hurt in this experiment or anything else, except it might not work, and you are or than welcome to make me out to be a fool if you like, and I have no problem with that, but we will never know unless we try.

I have no ego, and I don't go out of my way to make a mistake, what do you have in your corner?

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim


Good news:

The sky is not falling

Bad news:

I ain't getting any younger.

[modest]

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Those are real people, and everyone of those 600,000,000 are all going to have the same dream. I would think that you would be had pressed to find any other group of people in our world, that has the same dreams at some point in their life, that was as real as I am thinking right now.

It is not uncommon for people to have common experiences. We are all human and our brains all look and act almost exactly the same. Of all the traits we share why is this one significant? Why does it need an extraordinary explanation?

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Now I could understand your point, if I was asking for a lot of research money to study my idea, but we already have everything in place.

I'm not exactly sure what you propose. I get that you're asking for a BrainGate but other than that I'm a bit fuzzy.

Have you written a research proposal? Is that how you approached BrainGate? A good resource for writing one you'll find here. I would be willing to review your proposal if you like - there are perticular things they'll be looking for in a research proposal that I've hinted at before such as reference to previous research done into the topic. Notice this quote from the link I gave:

Give a short and precise overview about the present state of research that is immediately connected with your own research project. Name the most important contributions of the other scientists.

You may find this dishartening, but another thing they'll be looking for is the qualifications of the applicant:

Summarize the most important results of your own work on the topic (if applicable). Attach copies of your own publications that might be seen in connection with your research project...

The proposal needs to show that you are fully conversant with the ideas you are dealing with and you grasp their methodological implications.

Perfectly good scientists with good research objectives and proven methods and techniques are denied equipment and research opportunities all the time. How does your proposal compare to theirs?

If you were able to do the experiment in the manner you wish, how would you publish the findings? Would your method and results withstand peer-review? Strange claims are made all the time. How could your results be distinguished from them?

It sounds like you're wanting to jump in the deep end of the pool without learning how to swim first.

-modest

PS - I really would love to review your research proposal to BrainGate. You can PM me if you wouldn't want to post it here.

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Giants 17

Patriots 14

Never under estimate the unexpected when it comes to the power of your own energy to make something happen that has never happened before.

People might think and feel that they know how things will turn out, but Plaxico Burress was using the energy of something that was bigger than him self to make it happen this time, and you can do it as well.

Listen to your inner thoughts, not what other people try and tell you can't be done,
and you too can make a difference when it comes to your future communication needs.

My topic might not have the power of all hose expensive commercials that were shown through that game, but the message is still important when you compare it to what your options are right now.

Some will tell you that it is not possible, they will lead you to believe that it sounds complicated at best, but so was trying to beat the best football team in history, and all they can say after the smoke clears is this. We are disappointed.

Don't make the same mistake that they did, and be disappointed with your communication options for your future.

Everything in life happens for a reason, and this idea is no different.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Giants 17

Patriots 14

Never under estimate the unexpected when it comes to the power of your own energy to make something happen that has never happened before.

People might think and feel that they know how things will turn out, but Plaxico Burress was using the energy of something that was bigger than him self to make it happen this time, and you can do it as well.

Listen to your inner thoughts, not what other people try and tell you can't be done,
and you too can make a difference when it comes to your future communication needs.

My topic might not have the power of all hose expensive commercials that were shown through that game, but the message is still important when you compare it to what your options are right now.

Some will tell you that it is not possible, they will lead you to believe that it sounds complicated at best, but so was trying to beat the best football team in history, and all they can say after the smoke clears is this. We are disappointed.

Don't make the same mistake that they did, and be disappointed with your communication options for your future.

Everything in life happens for a reason, and this idea is no different.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

You really thinmk a football game has some kind of importance? I didn't watch, it's obscene to see grown men get paid millions of dollars to play a childs game.

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

This site has dropped a little, I am now just getting a reply to a football game three weeks ago.

My topic has to do with a lot of things, but you will not figure out unless you make an effort too, because this idea is so new, that you really have to pay attention, because it can make or break some people future afterlife reality back up plan, unless they start figuring out what type they would like to have.

You don't always get what you want, but you do get what you expect.

Thank you,

Tim

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

The last few times I have been at this site, I have had a hard time getting on, but today it seams to be fine.

I thought I would get you up to speed with where I am at with this topic.

I am working on making a video tape about the idea. I hope to have it done this summer. The video will be free, just like everything else that has to do with this topic so far.

If we can make my idea work, would you like to have a back up plan like this?

[DougF]

Hello Tim,
Are you going to post the video on you tube if not please do tell so I can check it out.
Thanks DougF.

[Tim Brewer]

Good question,

First I have to figure out how to get it on the Internet.

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.


Everything in life takes it's own allotted amount of time, and this topic is no different.

I have an idea concept on how we can communicate with potential out of body afterlife in a way that can be measured for free!

If you would like to know more, please fill free to let me know,

Tim