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Old 10-31-2007   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

It is a possible life. You don't get to make that judgment for everyone.
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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

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It is a possible life.
Those bacteria are *actual* life then. You don't seem to care about them.
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You don't get to make that judgment for everyone.
You neither! Fortunately!

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Old 10-31-2007   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

When I see this thread
I think about people who look at life as sacred, and government as absurd.
I think about how a lot of people of my generation take a step back before they go forward.
Back into survivalism, tribalism, the roots of consciousness.
This is what i think about when I think
"Is new life a threat to existing life?"
And I think about the new life that I am
which is the old life
integrating with the new life.
There is a lot of dumb people that nature will kill off. (evolution)
This is also what this thread makes me think about.


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When I see this thread
I think about people who look at life as sacred, and government as absurd.
I think about how a lot of people of my generation take a step back before they go forward....This is also what this thread makes me think about.
Amen, Orby. The point is it makes you *think* because its not obvious. The notion that life is simply defined and that there are nothing but simple solutions to life's conundrums is a *threat* to life!

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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

If you mean "new life" as in a spontaneously created new instance of life in some muddy pool somewhere, synthesizing all necessary compounds and amino acids together to make a new life from, analogous to the initial creation of life back in the day, then no: Sadly this is impossible. When Life originated in some muddy pool, there was nothing to eat it. If any form of new life was created today, it will promptly be eaten by some form of already established life. It's not to say that it's not happening, though - merely that it won't go far. Also, initial life didn't have to deal with oxygen, which tends to break organic molecules apart. Oxygen in our atmosphere is a byproduct of life, not vise versa - however counterintuitive that might sound, and the abundance thereof kinda makes it impossible for life to originate in the same way as it had, billions of years ago.

If, on the other hand, you're saying "new life" meaning newborns of established species, then, no. That also won't be a danger to any given species, because that's the principal way of carrying on the species into the future. Also the only way, if you discount cell splitting amongst bacteria, for example.

If you're implying "new life" to include more births than deaths, then a population bloom is expected, with the sudden population crash that inevitably must follow it once all resources are used up. And this isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. It's merely another filter used by evolution to weed and trim those who cannot live in harmony with the environment and resource levels.

So, first off, I don't really get your question, and secondly, new life ain't bad at all.


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Do you consider a new life on this planet as a threat to the people living now?
Silicon life and Artificial Intelligences are sure to eclipse our own species in the near future. Nanobots constructing and deconstructing the known into the unknown at the nanoscale. Mechanical monstrosities hunting down rogue humans without mercy. Land, water, and sky destined to become a pile of grey goo. Make way for the machines and our new overlords. There is no escape.


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ahhhh AI, I didn't even think of that.
Very interesting possibilities with that.
What's "silicon life"?


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Land, water, and sky destined to become a pile of grey goo. Make way for the machines and our new overlords. There is no escape.
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Re: Is new life a threat to existing life?

Machines would destroy humans because we are illogical. It wouldn't be logical to allow illogical creatures live.

The assumption here is on the definition of "threat". Bacteria is considered a threat because it can kill us. But if it didn't kill us, then something else would. You have to allow things to die naturally. Humans killing each other should not be considered natural. But it is a natural reaction, otherwise it wouldn't occur.

We are obviously not machines though.
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