[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by Brinnie

Everything has a mass, except for the Church of Scientology.

How dare you attack the Church of Scientology? Don't you know it's my turn and I've got more knowledge of it, having once been in it (right in it): Amo, Amore, Amass as much money as possible while claiming to save the world and empty your pockets at the same time (Now that's a magic trick of some merit but not much). Are the science of self-deception!

Does the soul have mass? Lets weight around and find out

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by MegaManiac

Not sure if this is the right forum to post this in, but I'd like to hear some member opinions on this subject (the soul having mass).

I'm not the science or physics geek the everyone else seems to be. But that's why I'm here. To learn, not so much to teach .

MM

To bad this thread was moved. I just answered a question about reincarnation with an explanation of neutrinos. We are not sure what God is, nor are we absolutely sure what matter is. Treating the two as separate things, may prevent us from knowing truth. It also, unfortunately, leaves us with only a mythical God to discuss, and prevents us from considering a God as Spinoza imagined a God. Everything is God stuff. God is the energy of all matter, and He does not walk through gardens with humans, expressing his disappointment because they ate the fruit of the wrong plant.

It is well known that there exist extremely high energetic particles in the Universe with energies up to 10^20 eV. How they are produced and how they propagate in the Universe have been a puzzle for a long time. Recent experiments suggest that these particles come from outside the Galaxy. More detailed understanding of their origin will require detecting many more particles. It may also be necessary to observe the production process through other windows. Nucleons and nuclei lose their energies in less than 100 Mpc through interactions with the cosmic microwave background. Furthermore, intergalactic magnetic fields can bend their trajectories, masking their sites of origin. Gamma rays are even more limited in pathlength due to electron pair production when they collide with radio photons.

In this regard, neutrinos have uniquely advantageous characteristics: they can penetrate cosmological distances in the Universe and their trajectories are not deflected because they have no electric charge. They carry information about extremely high energy (EHE) production processes, even in the early Universe. It is therefore important to understand the possible processes for producing EHE neutrinos and to consider the possibilities for detecting the predicted flux resulting from several different models.

UHE Neutrinos from CR

[nutronjon]

Originally Posted by jedaisoul

This thread started out as an apparently naiive, but legitimate, question. From the above it is clear that MM is already aware of the "strange claims" made on the subject, to which he is giving credence.

Furthermore...

...is just un-scientific clap trap. We all wish science was that easy, it isn't.

**** This thread belongs in Strange Claims ****

Joseph Campbell said myth is the result of spontaneously being aware of a truth. Strangely, myths around the world share a lot in common, almost as though God spoke to everyone, only given their different environments, each understood a little differently. In some cases an eel has to take the part of the snake, because there are no snakes on this island, so no one could have an image of a snake, but they know what an eel looks like. Minor differences in the story, but the same spontaneous knowning.

Oddly, when it comes to inventions, it is not uncommon for different people in different regions of the world to invent the same thing at the same time. This is like people around the world sharing almost identical mythology.

Then there is "The Hundredth Monkey". This is a curious phenonomia. Scientist wanting to study a group of forest monkeys lured them out by throwing bananas on the beach. One day a young female began washing the sand off her food, and slowly other monkeys began imitating her. When the alpha male took up washing his food, all the monkeys took up the practice. This isn't so strange, buttttt....

On a different island, where monkeys had no contact with the food washing monkeys, the monkeys began washing food. This is the effect of mass consciousness. Once critical mass is reached, what started as an individuals thought, becomes everyone's thought.

Much of what we know comes from intuitive thought. Now it is important that we test our intuitive thoughts scientifically, but hey, someone can make that great shot intuitively, while everyone else is working on the math.

However, keep in mind. If Einstien were to come to you and explain relativity, you wouldn't understand him any better than you can understand a professor's explanation of relativity. If we want to understand the theory of relativity, we have to prepare ourselves for the understand, so shall we all study math so we have a chance of understanding the concepts?

And so when God walked through gardens explaining life to people, they could understand only what they were ready to understand. That does not make holy books the last word about God.

[InfiniteNow]

Duncan MacDougall is one of the shadiest sounding doctors we've ever come across, and seems like the kind of guy who liked to play games like "Drink This Bubbling Liquid" and "Smell my Ether Soaked Rag," both of which we learned were unfun after playing a couple rounds with the man who sold bikes around the corner.

In the early 20th century, MacDougall theorized that the soul had weight. His experiments even came up with a number, 21 grams, which is where the title of that movie came from. What experiments you ask? The experiments where MacDougall took six patients "in the process of dying" and weighed them.

Being a profound scientific mind, there's not much written about who these people were or why and how they were dying. It's just enough to know that in their last moments, probably while they were hoping for a miracle, or maybe CPR, they were getting rolled onto a scale like deli-sliced meat at the market.

MacDougall also took the time to replicate his experiments with dogs. Fifteen dogs, in fact, which were apparently uncooperative when it came to dying of natural causes, so he had to help them along towards doggy heaven.

Although, according to his experiment, while humans lost anywhere from no weight because they died too quick for him to adjust his scale to several ounces at death, dogs lost nothing and therefore have no souls, which by our calculations means Guthrie's two-headed dog had twice as much no soul as a regular dog and was therefore evil to the core.

This, and more delightful treats, at the following:

The 10 Craziest Scientific Experiments Ever Conducted | Cracked.com

[shay was like]

if i remember correctly, i'm pretty sure that the things in this world that have mass have to be something that is a real, concrete thing whether it be something you can actually see or just simply a gaseous form of any element which you can't actually see. your soul has no examinable physical properties, so therefore it cannot have a mass.

[var]

Re: Does the Soul have Mass?

I was always under the impression that the soul is similar to magnetic field. Does magnetic field have mass?

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by var

Does magnetic field have mass?

Not that we know of.

[InfiniteNow]

It might be a good idea to define and empirically demonstrate this thing being called a "soul" before we continue attributing/conjecturing qualities which it does and does not have.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by freeztar

Why?

As REASON pointed out, it's a concept, or idea. As such, it has no weight to speak of. It's like asking how much happiness weighs.

Happiness weighs in at 69 grams.