Keeping Pets Is Reprehensible

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

All of these arguments seek to put an economic value on pet keeping, and I have no problem with keeping working animals. However, I find it unsatisfying to accept a general claim of a working benefit, such as companionship, followed by the claim it is somehow beyond enumeration.

Will you expect your wife to prove her financial worth how about your kid (if or when you should be fortunate enough to have either) How bout your friends?

I love my pup she is the daughter I will never have (BTW how about an exemption for those of us that have absolutely no desire to produce offspring). I think being a baby mill is far more reprehencible...think of all of the puppies that are deprived just because some "cow" wants to spit out another one

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Cedars

I cant believe you ignored the dung beetles...

I am not exactly sure what you mean by the above. Could you clarify? As I interpret it, you are stating that their companionship has no economic value, or that the value can be easily calculated or that a working pet cant be evaluated on multiple levels; and I really dont understand the suggestion that one should be evaluated by a doctor first.

-Reaching for the ritalin-

I just hadn't got to them yet. If'n they were a solution to pet poo, why aren't they in use?

I'm not saying there is not economic value, just saying that if one is asserted as an argument against not keeping pets, then it needs quantifiable substantiation. The difficultly providing such quantifiable substantiation is part of the strength of my general argument.

The Doctor's involvement I meant as a counter to the assertions that there is a medical benefit to keeping pets. If this is the case, then I argue that logically a Doctor ought to say if someone has a medical/psychological theraputic need of a pet, and possibly even what kind of pet.

Gotta break for supper. I'll get to everyone at a turtle's pace, no worries.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

BTW, BTW..I don't place the value of most human life any higher than that of most animals and in fact place most human life below that of select animals.

Example If I had to chose between my pup's life and that of my neighbor I'd very likely chose to save my pup...I just don't see the "VALUE" of human life.
Exactly how are we any more important than even the most vile of critters in the grand scheme of things? (beyond that we say we are)

[Overdog]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

BTW, BTW..I don't place the value of most human life any higher than that of most animals and in fact place most human life below that of select animals.

Well, I think you are likely to catch a lot of static for that remark, but I must say it is refreshing to hear that not everyone views human life as "sacred".

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Turtle

I think euthanizing all existing pets would be reprehensible.

Whew! Glad you agree with *that* one!

Originally Posted by Turtle

Indeed. Same as what we do now I suppose. What do you suggest?
Sounds like a matter for legislators. Do you have a proposal for a bill?
Sounds like a matter for judges. Do you have a proposal for a tort?

Well of course they were all rhetorical questions supporting the notion that the existing market-oriented mechanism with modest government controls governing cruelty is probably still optimal, and way better than any scheme of banning ownership!

Originally Posted by Turtle

Speciesism - encyclopedia article about Speciesism. By the evidence in the link, a debate all on its own no doubt. What position do you take on the question?

I think we're all species, and its good to consider that other species have rights too. "Of course some animals are more equal than others."

I do like a nice steak now and then.

Oh, and while I may not be a Traveler, I'm certainly not a Buffer!

My boobies are getting credit for this one,
Buffquemada

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

BTW, BTW..I don't place the value of most human life any higher than that of most animals and in fact place most human life below that of select animals.

Example If I had to chose between my pup's life and that of my neighbor I'd very likely chose to save my pup...I just don't see the "VALUE" of human life.
Exactly how are we any more important than even the most vile of critters in the grand scheme of things? (beyond that we say we are)

If it came down to it, and you had to chose between saving you're "pup" and you're fellow human, you would save you're neighbor, even if you hate them.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

I find keeping pets reprehensible in a world where people are starving to death every minute. Not only the direct loss of human food to pets, but the energy used to produce, package, distribute, and sell it, as well as the same waste in resources for pet products other than food.

What makes you think that the cessation of these activities would result in any change whatsoever with regard to the starving persons of the world?

The money spent on pet supplies would more likely end up in more disposable landfill choking crap like I-phones, big screens, and gaming consoles.

You mention waste how about all that crap that people just have to have until it's out of style six months later at which point they race out and get the next useless piece of crap.

Got a cellie? How much do I want to bet you love texting? How much do you waste there?
Got a game console? How much did/do you waste on it and games for it?

There's alot more waste in the everyday lives of people than the total "waste" as you put it of owning a pet.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

If it came down to it, and you had to chose between saving you're "pup" and you're fellow human, you would save you're neighbor, even if you hate them.

You clearly did not read my post!

So I'll make it clear for you.
I in general DO NOT like people, often this is better stated as I HATE people in general.
I see no good reason to value the life of a human any higher than an animals...People are self centered, self serving, cruel, wastefull, destructive, etc..etc... more often than not to varying degrees and therefore are of little value to me with VERY FEW exceptions. Those few exceptions are naturally compassionate, open, kind, etc...etc.

Also kindly refrain from trying to tell me who I am and what I think.BTW...I've yet to Neg rep anyone, do try to avoid being the first.

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

You clearly did not read my post!

So I'll make it clear for you.
I in general DO NOT like people, often this is better stated as I HATE people in general.
I see no good reason to value the life of a human any higher than an animals...People are self centered, self serving, cruel, wastefull, destructive, etc..etc... more often than not to varying degrees and therefore are of little value to me with VERY FEW exceptions. Those few exceptions are naturally compassionate, open, kind, etc...etc.

Also kindly refrain from trying to tell me who I am and what I think.BTW...I've yet to Neg rep anyone, do try to avoid being the first.

Yes, I read you're post, and its not the first time I have heard this kind of BULLSHIT. Now Imagin that you have 1 lb of hamburger and you are starving your pup is starving you're nieghbor, that you judge is not of any value, is also starving. Now tell me you are not going give you're nieghbor some food, but instead give it to the dog. IF it were me, or anyone that is sane would feed a human before a dog. If it where my dog, and we were starving I would share my hamberger with you, and if it came down to it, my dog as well , even you you neg rep me.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Yes, I read you're post, and its not the first time I have heard this kind of BULLSHIT.

You just don't get it.

IF it were me, or anyone that is sane would feed a human before a dog.

Sane huh?
You just don't get it...I'm fed up with people and all of their bull...and the fact is I'm not starving neither are my family or my neighbors...and my family comes first...and yes my dog is very much family so she comes first too.
Here's the order of things My wife above all else, then the kids, then the pup then me, then close friends, followed by everyone else..not because any one else says it's so but because I say it is so this is the order of things as my concience demands.

you neg rep me.

Not funny.