The white light

[gubba]

G'day Turtle,

Touche my friend, touche! How on earth can you signify accents on these useless keyboards!!!!
cheers gub.

[bumab]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

....and it's not truth, it's claims. reports.

All evidence about NDE's is based on claims and reports, for and against an afterlife. I'm certainly not arguing for NDE's being real, or against it, but it's fair to note that physiological studies are looking for physical mechanisms by which those claims and reports can be explained. It's still based on claims and reports.

If it can be explained by anoxia, could someone just do a study on those folks that deprive their brain fo oxygen on purpose, for the rush? I wonder if they ever feel like they're looking down on their body or a similar sensation (other then lightheadedness, of course).

Hmmm....

[bumab]

the touchè accent is typed by holding down "alt" and hitting 138. You can get all sorts of accents using numbers around 130-140, like â ä à å ç ê ë è ï î ì etc etc (that's 131-142 or so)

[orbsycli]

lack of oxygen and a NDE sure aren't the only things to get you seeing your body from above

[gubba]

G'day bumab,

Thanks for the info. I shall experiment cheers gub.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by TeleMad

A rebuttal by someone is at least as biased as the author he rebuts.... and since there is no legitimate evidence of a soul or an afterlife, Ockham's razor has us reject the soul-based explanation in favor of the rational one.

Originally Posted by RiverRat

An interesting rebuttal to… “ proved, scientifically, that NDE’s are hallucinations caused by brain activity.”

Originally Posted by Orb

This is simply just the light hanging above them in the hospital.

This thread is interesting to me more because it gets folks to display a bias more than anything else. RR has produced interesting anecdotal evidence of a number of experiences are are very difficult to reproduce, but seem legitimately inferential. Telemad generated credible refutations to some elements, but did not offer why hypoxia would produce (for example) positive emotions versus negative ones; Orb started the thread with a postualte that this stuff is easily explained.

It seems to underline Clarence Day's suggestion that "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".

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[orbsycli]

i stated that in the begining of the thread, without knowledge. it was something i assumed and from this thread i have learned that it's not as easy as i thought.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

i stated that in the begining of the thread, without knowledge. it was something i assumed and from this thread i have learned that it's not as easy as i thought.

Thanks, Orb. I stand corrected.

[Fishteacher73]

I'm jumping into a already lengthy thread and my be re-iterating points made by othesr, if so, sorry.

I think we can all agree that the human brain is a highly complex organ and its functions are still a bit illusive, yet we also grant that the human mind/brain has a great ability to alter itself. Through such examples of disassociative disorders (a psychologically induced state) to shock brought on by physical trauma, that the brain insulates itself from bad things through both psychology and chemistry. I think it would interesting to examine near death experiences in cultures that do not have a mythology(my interpretation) of "the bright light". Perhaps one would see a psychological component that cultures imprint onto the mind as a comforting agent in dire situations.

[niviene]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

Where are all the reports of a firey death pit with demonic minions scurrying around tying you up to chains and stabbing you with a 3 pointed giant red fork after they die and come back to hell?

Wow... good point.