Buckminster Fuller

[Turtle]

___I have no intention of discussing economics in this regard. The simple fact is, Fuller used his geometric tetra volume math to predict a fourth state of carbon for which he was derided & not until after his death but low & behold it really is real. The Buckminster Fullerene!
___Fuller also describes gravity & it's effects under this tetra- volume system & as far as this thread is a judge, this too is ripe for ridicule.
___I neither solicit nor appreciate flippancy in my inquiry. Have you read Fuller? Yes or no. If you have, what do you think of his idea's on gravity & tetrahedral space? What other gems did Bucky leave us that lay unexplored? Has the current field of quantum mechanics or string theory vindicated any of Fuller's writings?

[Turtle]

___Just a brief google of "Buckminster Fullers books" reveals Albert's opinion of Fuller:
http://www.banned-books.com/truth-se..._2/ts222a.html

Quotng Einstein to Fuller fron the above page: "Young man, you amaze me. I cannot conceive of anything I have ever done, having the slightest practical application."

[Turtle]

____The horse lives I tell you; by this quote from the Wikpedia article on Fuller, the horse is iron.
The English writer, playwright, and philosopher John Dryden wrote something quite relevant to the pioneering forays of Fuller still to be brought to full result: "We must beat the iron while it is hot, but we may polish it at leisure."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller

PS I just learned from this article that what I call "minimalist multifunctionism" in the lounge thread, Fuller called "ephemeralization". Sweet serendipity!

[UncleAl]

The simple fact is, Fuller used his geometric tetra volume math to predict a fourth state of carbon for which he was derided & not until after his death but low & behold it really is real. The Buckminster Fullerine!

Fuller made no comments on chemistry. C60's discoverers Kroto and Smalley enjoyed the "AHA!" of a soccerball. That C60 was a geodesic dome came later. C60 is buckminsterfullerene.

http://www.harvardsciencereview.org/...ages61to63.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Kroto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Smalley

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

Fuller made no comments on chemistry. C60's discoverers Kroto and Smalley enjoyed the "AHA!" of a soccerball. That C60 was a geodesic dome came later. C60 is buckminsterfullerene.

http://www.harvardsciencereview.org/...ages61to63.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Kroto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Smalley

I have started reading the first link & this is interesting paragraph so far:
"...the three simple crystal structures that
molecules form. The others are simple
cubic (as the name implies, only a cube
with an atom at each vertex of the
cube) and body-centered cubic (a cube
with an atom at each vertex and one in
the center of the cube). Face-centered
cubic is the most densely packed because
in addition to the atom at each
vertex, there is also an atom in the center
of each face (4)...
___Whether Fuller explicity commented on chemistry I can not attest; I read the two books of his on synergy some decades ago. Nonetheless, as Kroto and Smalley invoked Fuller, how may he have influenced them? What familiarity did they have with Fuller's synergetics? I included the quote from the Harvord article because even though it is couched in cubic coordinate terms, Fuller's tensgrity & tetrahedral coordinate terms better accomadate the platonic solids than do the cubic. As I understand it, all but one of the Platonic solids is constructed of an integral number of tetrahedrons & this is not the case for the Platonic solids divided into cubes.
___Reading more.

[Turtle]

___Al's second link is a biography of Kroto & makes no mention of Fuller;no evidence is not evidence.
___The third link is a short bio of Smalley, likewise with no mention of Fuller. He appears to still live though, so maybe we ask him? Also of note, Samlleys bio also credits a third with the Fullerene discovery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Curl

___His bio is short & no Fuller mention; seems he's alive.
___One of my stray thoughts is how different is a Calibi-Yau shape expressed in Fuller's tetra volumes as opposed to the usual cubic volume?

[Turtle]

___Today I found an online edition of SYNERGETICS, Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking by R. Buckminster Fullerin collaboration with E. J. Applewhite
First Published by Macmillan Publishing Co. Inc. 1975, 1979.

A quote from the "Operational mathematics" section:
811.04 You can "draw a line" only on the surface of some system. All systems divide Universe into insideness and outsideness. Systems are finite. Validity favors neither one side of the line nor the other. Every time we draw a line operationally upon a system, it returns upon itself. The line always divides a whole system's unit area surface into two areas, each equally valid as unit areas. Operational geometry invalidates all bias.

___Find it all here:
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg...nergetics.html

___I continue to invite your posts on Fuller; to the young people, have you even heard of him? To the rest, have you ever read him? If not, why? If so, do you find his work cogent? More to read!

[Turtle]

___I now have embarked on re-reading Synergetics on-line ; this fits well with my disacquisition of books.
___In regard to the comment in post #14 that Fuller never mentioned chemistry, I have already found it untrue: http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg.../plate04z.html The text below the diagram specifically mentions chemists & chemistry & both in regard to their mistaken views on the symmetry of atoms & molecules.
___Whether you have read Fuller's Synergetics or not, I invite everyone to read along with me; participation in discovery is the best science so let's discover Buckminster Fuller again for the first time. I have read from the beginning through the section titled Humans In Universe.

[Turtle]

___Today I read from 100.00 through 100.21 in the online edition of Synergetics. Fascinating reading once again. Below an out-take of Fuller's description of the human senses; section 100.20.

Human Sense Awareness INFRARED THRESHOLD
(Only micro-instrument-apprehensible)
Tactile: Preponderantly sensing the crystalline and triple-bonded atom-and- molecule state, including all the exclusively infraoptical frequency ranges of the electromagnetic wave spectrum's human receptivity from cold "solids" through to the limit degrees of heat that are safely (nonburningly) touchable by human flesh.
Olfactoral: Preponderantly sensing the liquid and double-bonded atom-and- molecule state, including all of the humanly tunable ranges of the harmonic resonances of complex chemical liquid substances.
Aural: Preponderantly sensing the gaseous and single-bonded atom-and- molecule state, including all ranges of humanly tunable simple and complex resonance harmonics in gasses.
Visual: Preponderantly sensing the radiantly deflecting-reflecting, unbonding- rebonding, atom-and-molecule energy export states, including all ultratactile, humanly-tune-in-able, frequency ranges of electromagnetic wave phenomena."

___I still find it curious none of you science folk have voiced your opinion on the scientific content & value of Fuller's geometrics (other than UncleAl ) So again; what gives?

[Dark Mind]

Originally Posted by Turtle

...___I continue to invite your posts on Fuller; to the young people, have you even heard of him? To the rest, have you ever read him? If not, why? If so, do you find his work cogent? More to read!

Sorry never heard of him... Will begin to read and discover along with you later tonight .

I'm sixteen and I recommend Fuller to all "younger people" .